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    got bad beat up, did i do wrong or just odds

    Hi pros

    I was on $15 6d s17 late surrender table with another player, very good pen. Betting spread 1,2?4?6?12. I started with one hand, the count went up to +2 in few seconds, i put up another hands bet 2×75% of one hand. Count was stay at +6 to +1 whole shoe. By the end of the shoe i lost $600. I decided to play one more shoe, count went up to +2 in a minute again and i split two to hands, the whole shoe was high count but dealer never bust. I lost another $900 this shoe and i left table. So did i do anything wrong or just the odd hit me. Also I still have money in my pocket, should i try again since the pen is good & not too many players in table. Thx


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    Normal. Two shoes is not nearly enough to realize long term profits.

    As long as your game is good and other considerations were taken (any heat, etc) then yes if you still had bankroll on you and conditions were good you should have kept playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    Hi pros

    I was on $15 6d s17 late surrender table with another player, very good pen. Betting spread 1,2?4?6?12. I started with one hand, the count went up to +2 in few seconds, i put up another hands bet 2×75% of one hand. Count was stay at +6 to +1 whole shoe. By the end of the shoe i lost $600. I decided to play one more shoe, count went up to +2 in a minute again and i split two to hands, the whole shoe was high count but dealer never bust. I lost another $900 this shoe and i left table. So did i do anything wrong or just the odd hit me. Also I still have money in my pocket, should i try again since the pen is good & not too many players in table. Thx


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    I would take a break and maybe find a different table

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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    I was on $15 6d s17 late surrender table with another player, very good pen. Betting spread 1,2?4?6?12. I started with one hand, the count went up to +2 in few seconds, i put up another hands bet 2×75% of one hand. Count was stay at +6 to +1 whole shoe. By the end of the shoe i lost $600. I decided to play one more shoe, count went up to +2 in a minute again and i split two to hands, the whole shoe was high count but dealer never bust. I lost another $900 this shoe and i left table. So did i do anything wrong or just the odd hit me. Also I still have money in my pocket, should i try again since the pen is good & not too many players in table. Thx
    I am not able to discern if you ever put out your max bet. I see that the count went to +6, so I assume you did. If that is the case, you should just book the loss and come back at another time. Even if you stick around to get your money back and earn a profit, you may be asking to have your play reviewed. The time will come when you are happy to have some losses on the books. Keep practicing, and perhaps have someone watch you to be sure you are not making mistakes. Other than that...everything you described will happen to you many more times. It is no big deal unless you make it one. Keep places with good pen as long as you can.

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    Most likely you did make some minor mistakes but also were getting unlucky. I've dropped 20 to 30 max bets in the span of a couple shoes before. And other times you just run so pure and win every bet you make. That's variance.

    As to whether or not you should try again, well probably you are not really in a position to be playing in a casino in the first place. Can you flawlessly play through three shoes with no betting or playing mistakes? Until you can you shouldn't be in a casino. Technically winning or losing should be irrelevant to your decision to stay or quit, instead you should be focusing on whether the game is worth playing and how much heat continuing to play will expose you to. But loss limits are definitely not a terrible idea so it is okay to walk away when you are losing.
    Last edited by Meistro123; 07-12-2017 at 11:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    I was on $15 6d s17 late surrender table with another player, very good pen. Betting spread 1,2?4?6?12.

    Why the question marks in your betting spread? Are you looking for approval? when you are playing for real money there should be no questions.

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    Count was stay at +6 to +1 whole shoe.

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    I decided to play one more shoe, count went up to +2 in a minute again and i split two to hands, the whole shoe was high count but dealer never bust.
    When you raise your bet into a good positive count, you are hoping that more high cards are now going to appear because of the disproportion of the excess of high cards to low. Where the true count eventually evens itself out. Sometimes this does not happen, and the TC stays the same or rises and many of the high cards remain behind the cut card. In these times which happens to everyone, players can and do get hammered. Sounds like what happened in your case.
    Last edited by BoSox; 07-13-2017 at 11:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Why the question marks in your betting spread? Are you looking for approval? when you are playing for real money there should be no questions.






    When you raise your bet into a good positive count, you are hoping that more high cards are now going to appear because of the disproportion of the excess of high cards to low. Where the true count eventually evens itself out. Sometimes this does not happen, and the TC stays the same or rises and many of the high cards remain behind the cut card. In these times which happens to everyone, players can and do get hammered. Sounds like what happened in your case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Why the question marks in your betting spread? Are you looking for approval? when you are playing for real money there should be no questions.

    When you raise your bet into a good positive count, you are hoping that more high cards are now going to appear because of the disproportion of the excess of high cards to low. Where the true count eventually evens itself out. Sometimes this does not happen, and the TC stays the same or rises and many of the high cards remain behind the cut card. In these times which happens to everyone, players can and do get hammered. Sounds like what happened in your case.
    Can ASM's clump cards (by design)? Can there then be a significant clump of big cards at the beginning (when bets are low) or end (end up after cut card)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Can ASM's clump cards (by design)? Can there then be a significant clump of big cards at the beginning (when bets are low) or end (end up after cut card)?
    You should get hit with the ban stick. That's straight up troll behavior and I think you know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    You should get hit with the ban stick. That's straight up troll behavior and I think you know it.
    Smart! How do I withdraw my post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Smart! How do I withdraw my post?
    Zee.... I use to think you were unfairly treated and people were just hard on you... I stand corrected. You are just asking for all the negative comments directed towards you woth the comments you make

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Can ASM's clump cards (by design)? Can there then be a significant clump of big cards at the beginning (when bets are low) or end (end up after cut card)?
    I wrote a program to simulate the clumping effect. Depending on the setting of clumpness, ASM on beast mode has 10% to 15% house edge compared to 0.5% on hand shuffled game. And because the cards are segmented in departments, TC theory has little effect on entire shoe. Basically even TC is super high, if this is in the "mid-card" department, your chance to get a 8 or 9 is higher than to get a face card. This is consistent with my real life experience. I began to struggle with my play four years ago when my local shops updated their ASM to newest model. I struggled to win. Then I found out one casino far away but still within my drive distance, I began to win again with ease because this casino only hand shuffled. The key point to win with ease, just like what I did for decades. Right now I spend most of my play time on the hand shuffled casino. Occasionally I would play at the nearby casino just for observation. Never saw any AP or BS player win there.

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