CASINO DESIGNED AND MANAGED BY AP's

[Tarzan]

Horseshit~! All this talk of CSM's, ASM's. I'm siding with RCJH on this. If I owned a casino I would want it to be counter-friendly so to speak, offering the best games possible. I would want to showcase that my casino has big winners and exploit the publicity of having the best games available. The counters will mean lessened profits, barely a dent in it more than likely, and the publicity of their exploits attracts the masses who in the overall, counters or not, will be profitable to the casino in the long run. Volume of business beats out squeezing the house edge in the long run.

[Stealth]

Volume of business beats out squeezing the house edge in the long run.

Amen brother..........

[G Man]

Great post Tarzan!

[Sharky]

... 6D H17, DAS, RSA, Ls, 85% pen, no spreading to more hands mid-shoe, with table limits 5-200$ on the main floor?

$200 limits on main floor....LMAO....r u from the midwest???

[Bigdaddy]

Horseshit~! All this talk of CSM's, ASM's. I'm siding with RCJH on this. If I owned a casino I would want it to be counter-friendly so to speak, offering the best games possible. I would want to showcase that my casino has big winners and exploit the publicity of having the best games available. The counters will mean lessened profits, barely a dent in it more than likely, and the publicity of their exploits attracts the masses who in the overall, counters or not, will be profitable to the casino in the long run. Volume of business beats out squeezing the house edge in the long run.

Yeah baby - spoken like a true Zender. 6-deck shoes should be dealt to 5.5/6. Just need them to listen and truly understand...

[Bubbles]

$200 limits on main floor....LMAO....r u from the midwest???

If it was higher, I'd want to take more countermeasures against counters, which I'm opposed to doing. If I offer a game with rules that make it beatable, it's not appropriate to be a sore loser and kick anyone out that can beat me. I'd offer the game and accept the consequences. 200 and 300$ limits aren't too uncommon in some areas. And no, I'm not from the mid west.

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[RCJH]

I've often said that if I had a casino, I'd put a sign out front saying "Welcome Card Counters". We'll either lose a lot, or the ploppies will see us win and keep coming back to that casino.
Oh, and I found my first dealer...
https://youtu.be/NfwL4s8wjaw


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[hitthat16]

"The casino will be so popular amongst civilians because they recognize that their money lasts longer there that the place will always be too crowded to be worth an APs time."

You're dreaming. Have you seen Las Vegas recently? You really think that offering good rules entices imbeciles to play? The same morons who think 6:5 is better than 3:2 because
6 > 3? You really have to be kidding.

Don

Hey, this is a fantasy hypothetical situation after all.

Edit: Besides, PA is doing just fine with gambling revenue. Sure there is a lot of baccarat but there were also far more blackjack tables on a proportionate basis than I've seen in other states. There's a balance between being profitable and also offering a fair gamble. I guess you could say the "dream" is real and it's in PA.

[Fire Walker]

+1 for Stealth's, RCJH’s and Tarzan’s ideologies.

One thing I’ll add, which I think is underestimated, is this: Tthree, ZMF and I have spoken numerous times in the past about the potential detriment of super deep penetration to counters in shoe games for a number of reasons, one being the shoe composition can get very wonky the deeper they go - i.e. the depletion of certain ranks, the nebulous number of neutral cards remaining (with a surplus or deficit being equally detrimental in certain situations), etc.

More costly yet, once you get down to or past a half deck (or a quarter!) in an 8 deck game, if you are not spot on, you will blow yourself up because your bet and index play accuracy will be way off the mark. And, there are places out there where they instruct their dealers to “cut 10-12 cards off” their 8 deck games. AND, to add insult to injury, they use different size discard trays at each table where the same numbers of decks are used. I have played them. Some of you out there have also played them. (Please don’t post where they are here). They are hard to beat consistently. They know exactly what they are doing, and you need to have a strategy ready to counter veiled countermeasures if you play at places that employ this type of chicanery.

FW

[Koz84]

“cut 10-12 cards off”

FW

So you're saying super deep penetration can be just as bad as terrible penetration, if hands played towards the end aren't perfect?

[Freightman]

+1 for Stealth's, RCJH’s and Tarzan’s ideologies.

One thing I’ll add, which I think is underestimated, is this: Tthree, ZMF and I have spoken numerous times in the past about the potential detriment of super deep penetration to counters in shoe games for a number of reasons, one being the shoe composition can get very wonky the deeper they go - i.e. the depletion of certain ranks, the nebulous number of neutral cards remaining (with a surplus or deficit being equally detrimental in certain situations), etc.

More costly yet, once you get down to or past a half deck (or a quarter!) in an 8 deck game, if you are not spot on, you will blow yourself up because your bet and index play accuracy will be way off the mark. And, there are places out there where they instruct their dealers to “cut 10-12 cards off” their 8 deck games. AND, to add insult to injury, they use different size discard trays at each table where the same numbers of decks are used. I have played them. Some of you out there have also played them. (Please don’t post where they are here). They are hard to beat consistently. They know exactly what they are doing, and you need to have a strategy ready to counter veiled countermeasures if you play at places that employ this type of chicanery.

FW

Id love to play that game. BTW, don't see a lot of merit in this thread.

[Stealth]

Id love to play that game. BTW, don't see a lot of merit in this thread.

That is why they have chocolate and vanilla.

Perhaps the merit is the ability to "send a message" to the casino personnel trolling......?

[Three]

You're dreaming. Have you seen Las Vegas recently? You really think that offering good rules entices imbeciles to play? The same morons who think 6:5 is better than 3:2 because
6 > 3? You really have to be kidding.

Don

Even an idiot that might think this would know getting paid $6 on a $5 bet is worse than getting paid $7.50. The ones that don't care figure they will lose no matter what so what difference does it make. You can't argue with that logic because they are right. The difference is maybe 1 more bet lost per hour playing 6:5.

I would pay the dealers better than all the other casinos so there was no dealer shortage. I would have all hand shuffled games. Half the games (or whatever the minimum percentage worked out to be for keeping the side bet crowd happy) would have no side bet. I would cut deep to get the most rounds per hour per table. There are ways to make the deep pen back fire for most counters. I won't list them but I hope the sharper players out there have observed what I am alluding to. The no side bet tables would really help with maximizing rounds per hour. I would always have a couple of extra tables open so nobody came to play and left because they couldn't find room to play at the games they lied. Paying dealers more would ensure you had all the staff necessary to have the tables open. With time all the inpatient bigger bettors in the area would play at my casino because they get tired of wasting their time showing up at other casinos and having to leave because they couldn't find room to play. I would have active game protection that only acted against true threats, not just anyone suspected of counting. Most would be counters are destined to be cash cows. Dealers would be fast and efficient. No wasting money on chit chat unless they are skilled multi-taskers.

Pits would be laid out so I could open and close games of various types as needed. I wouldn't be unable to open more games because I would need to open another pit to do so. I wouldn't waste manpower having dealers standing at empty tables offering games nobody likes because when they try them the customers lose money too quickly. The key to repeat customers is allowing them the illusion they have a shot at winning by offering games they are likely to beat occasionally. In the long run I will get the percentage I will get and they only have so much to lose on an individual basis. Make them feel my casino is the lucky casino by offering better rules. Offer S17, DAS, LS games. People generally play so bad they don't come close to the theoretical HE and play to a much worse HE. Offer generous comps so they feel losing money in my casino was money well spent rather than a waste of time and money.