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    CASINO DESIGNED AND MANAGED BY AP's

    My premise is that we are going to crowd fund the equity money to open a casino designed and managed by experienced and effective AP's.

    How would gaming be designed to be successful?

    What would your blackjack offerings be? Please "make your case" for your recommendation.

    What other things would you do that is different from the current masses?

    How would you pay your dealers and pit managers?

    Why do you think these things would be profitable with suitable returns to your investors?

    Do you think your financial performance would match or exceed current casinos with a financially normalized comparison?

    Do you think our casino "friends" who toll these pages will find these answers helpful, insightful or a joke?

    Do you think casinos have proforma estimates for the cost of countermeasures against AP's?

    Are there other relevant questions?
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    On main floor, all tables have these conditions:

    table max = 20 x table min ($50/$1000 will be the most expensive table, most tables are $15/$300)
    75% penetration
    6D, PA rules.


    There is no need for people to watch for AP on main floors. As most ploppies really don't spread higher than 5 to 1. Only AP spread 20 to 1.

    At the high roller section, since the spread will be higher to suit the taste of high rollers, you need to hire surveillance to watch AP. AP getting caught for counting won't be allowed to enter the casino again.

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    I would have 3 different types of tables, ASM on all tables, no hand shuffles.

    3:2 blackjack, S17, pen 75% no surrender on the low limit table 10-300 Side bet 21+3, lucky lucky, or king's bounty/ladies in that order (prefer 21+3 or lucky)

    6:5 blackjack, H17, pen 95% no surrender in a party pit table with an attractive dealer near the bar. These ploppies don't know anything and only care about getting drunk and a good looking girl.

    3:2 blackjack, S17, pen 75% surrender in the high limit room 50-1000, Side bet is a must but only 21+3 or lucky lucky.

    I find nowadays, ploppies love side bets more than they even like their main hand. If they could, they'll bet $100 on 21+3 and then $50 on their main hand. I agree only the HL needs to be watched for APs- who need to be banned immediately. I would also hire a shill to press their bets, play side bets, play like an average ploppy- with poor moves and encourage ploppies to play side bets etc.

    Good customer service- fast and friendly dealers and nice pit should be emphasized above all as most are regular gamblers

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    What's in it for the casino to offer S17?

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    What's in it for the casino to offer S17?

    Don
    Requiired side bet, he says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    What's in it for the casino to offer S17?

    Don
    This assignment is to maximize profits. S17 will drain ploppies' BR slower. They will feel the casino is not so tight and choose this casino over other casinos with bad rules. This is ploppy management. On the other side, regarding AP management, you let AP roaming on main floor. Even the best AP can only earn $30 a hour at the $25/$500 table. If someone think it is worth their time, so be it. Then you concentrate all of your resources to catch AP on high roller room. Once they get caught, make sure they will never return. Eventually this casino will be AP-free, ploppy-happy (relatively), whale-happy(also relatively) casino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    Eventually this casino will be AP-free
    Unless you have multiple APs happy to make $30/hr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koz84 View Post
    Unless you have multiple APs happy to make $30/hr.
    You underestimate human's greed. Most of the successful AP able to grow their BR will eventually move to high roller room and get caught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    You underestimate human's greed. Most of the successful AP able to grow their BR will eventually move to high roller room and get caught.
    I should also add side bet to all BJ table on main floor. That should slow BJ table to 60 or 65 hands a hour and make AP can earn no more than $24 a hour.

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    I think 25-500 the EV would be far greater than $30/hr. I think 10-300 may be closer to that. Also 25-500 is far too high for a table on the main floor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterhoudini View Post
    I think 25-500 the EV would be far greater than $30/hr. I think 10-300 may be closer to that. Also 25-500 is far too high for a table on the main floor.
    If the penetration is set at 84%, the best AP can probably make $45 a hour. But I set it at 75%, $30 a hour is more realistic.

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    What about setting up counter-catcher DD tables on the main floor? A la 4Q or Downtown Grand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koz84 View Post
    What about setting up counter-catcher DD tables on the main floor? A la 4Q or Downtown Grand.
    i don't think dd is a good idea- wasted time between shuffles- slower play- lower edge- not enough side bets. The point of this question is to dissuade counters entirely

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