How does a BO occur for the rated player?

[ZeeBabar]

In the case of T3, he is using a proprietary counting system so the surveillance cannot confirm. The standard procedure is to confirm using Hi-Lo first, then on the second pass using Zen. If you are using either Hi-Lo or Zen, you will be in the counters database once confirmed, unless the casino is super lazy. Most AP got caught by their local casino because they feel safe there. Even you are using a narrow spread, it really doesn't matter. Casinos just want to know if your bet size goes up with TC.

Never be rated especially you are using Hi-Lo or Zen. If you are using ace side count system like Omega II or Hi-Opt II, you may get away from being caught.

This is stupid. 90% of ploppies have heard of card counting, some 75% count cards using HiLo. The casinos know all this. The info about card counting is all over the place, from books to YouTube to the internet. They don't kick you out because you are counting. They know that all ploppies do is know to count and know to increase bet when positive count. This does not make the ploppy card counter a winner. He does not have a big enough BR, does not follow optimum betting patterns, ones not know money management or appropriate deviations.

Casinos are only trying to catch the effective card counter who is effectively spreading, effectively deviating from BS and because of this, some of us can get away with playing rated for years, eventually being barred for life time earnings.

[Freightman]

In the case of T3, he is using a proprietary counting system so the surveillance cannot confirm. The standard procedure is to confirm using Hi-Lo first, then on the second pass using Zen. If you are using either Hi-Lo or Zen, you will be in the counters database once confirmed, unless the casino is super lazy. Most AP got caught by their local casino because they feel safe there. Even you are using a narrow spread, it really doesn't matter. Casinos just want to know if your bet size goes up with TC.

Never be rated especially you are using Hi-Lo or Zen. If you are using ace side count system like Omega II or Hi-Opt II, you may get away from being caught.

It's easy to count anyone down, and I'm sure there are casinos who have surveillance do that. More sophisticated houses don't care what count you use. They will use software that accurately reflects eor's and actual advantages, and correlate those to your betting structures. 3's or ZMF would be remiss to think they would go unnoticed under that scenario.

Which brings up 2 interesting points.
1. You are deluding yourself if you think the house doesn't know what you're doing.
2. There are many excellent posts on what triggers house reaction. It would behoove one and all to learn what these are for their local stores.

[hitthat16]

This is stupid. 90% of ploppies have heard of card counting, some 75% count cards using HiLo.

Please tell me you're saying that of those who count, 75% use Hilo.

You're not saying that most civilians count, are you? That'd be completely false.

[Freightman]

Please tell me you're saying that of those who count, 75% use Hilo.

You're not saying that most civilians count, are you? That'd be completely false.

The issue is not counters per se. The issue is PROFICIENT card counters. Probably less than 1 in 200. The further issue are the number of counters within that 1-200 ratio that can actually do damage. That being said, there are lots and lots of people who move bets around with the shortage or surplus if good cards. Their bets change with the count. The concept of optimal is unknown to these people. Other mundane topics such as ror, Kelly, etc., are foreign words with no meaning. Why casinos worry is beyond me.

[hitthat16]

The issue is not counters per se. The issue is PROFICIENT card counters. Probably less than 1 in 200. The further issue are the number of counters within that 1-200 ratio that can actually do damage. That being said, there are lots and lots of people who move bets around with the shortage or surplus if good cards. Their bets change with the count. The concept of optimal is unknown to these people. Other mundane topics such as ror, Kelly, etc., are foreign words with no meaning. Why casinos worry is beyond me.

I agree that there are very few proficient counters out there that can actually do damage. The thing is that I've noticed standard civilian betting behavior is either flat bet or "progressive" in nature. I've never played with one that moved their money if there were "a lot of small(big) cards on that round". It's funny, they will make that comment, but not change their bet size.

[Bubbles]

I have a good ploppy friend who moves his bet based on the high or low cards of the previous round. He doesn't count at all, just knows 10s are good and if no 10s came it means they're coming. Seeing as we play shoes, his betting is often not with the count. Sometimes it is though, lol.

I do notice many ploppies make remarks about rounds with few face cards, but often do not alter their bet. I wish they would. We'd be less conspicuous.

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[Bigdaddy]

I've never played with one that moved their money if there were "a lot of small(big) cards on that round". It's funny, they will make that comment, but not change their bet size.

It's because they think their gambling intuition will make them more successful. They play with their (flawed) heart, not their head.