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    How does a BO occur for the rated player?

    I have played rated at local casinos for 3+ years but winning has only become more consistent this year. If, and when, they decide to BO me, how does it occur? At one chain, the room comps and table play have dried up but no countermeasures have been taken at the table. At another chain, one pit guy jokes that he "has never seen this guy lose" and the other Pit guy says he has seen me lose. They let me play.

    I dont know know how to avoid a BO because I don't even show them my card, they know me and log me in.

    Hopefully, they will simply tell me as soon as I sit down that they cannot let me play anymore. I would rather not have a pile of chips in front of me, 2-3 suited guys and security escort me to cage and outside as I have read here.

    I am hoping I am being paranoid and nothing will ever happen as long as I keep my win sessions to $200 or less, short sessions.

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    You have read enough posts on this. All depends on tolerance of casino. 200$ profit a day adds up. It's typically very simple. Excuse me sir....we aren't going to let you play BJ here. Your game is too good for us. You can play anything else, just not BJ. Something like that...You'll act incredulous and say Ive been playing here for years and have never had any issues. I just don't understand......They will say, I am so sorry decision is made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Hopefully, they will simply tell me as soon as I sit down that they cannot let me play anymore. I would rather not have a pile of chips in front of me, 2-3 suited guys and security escort me to cage and outside as I have read here.
    Often you can get a sense that something is going to happen. I sensed something was up on several trips before my first back off actually happened. In fact I started to mix in some craps, but in the end it didn't matter.

    My first back off was very polite and I don't think there was even any security around. The pit boss actually waited until the end of the evening so I could play one last time. I do remember that last time was a nice winning session.

    I was never escorted out by security on any of my back offs. It was just no more blackjack, I was welcome to play any other game. On some of my back offs, I was just flat betted.

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    It depends on the store. One place I play seems to have a hard on for trespassing advantage players. Multiple security guards and large guys in suits swarm and give the tap. They take the AP a few feet from the table and loudly and intimidatingly tell them they cannot play anymore and need to leave and not come back. They demand ID, but seem to drop it when one isn't produced. The large suit guy grabs their chips and takes them to the cage, then hands them their money as they're escorted out. It makes a very large scene.

    Another place the pit just pushes their bet back and says, "I know you're counting. Out." no security needed.

    It heavily depends on store policy. I think most back offs these days are polite. Play long enough in a store and you might see it happen to someone else, then you'll know what to expect there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDAP View Post
    You have read enough posts on this. All depends on tolerance of casino. 200$ profit a day adds up. It's typically very simple. Excuse me sir....we aren't going to let you play BJ here. Your game is too good for us. You can play anything else, just not BJ. Something like that...You'll act incredulous and say Ive been playing here for years and have never had any issues. I just don't understand......They will say, I am so sorry decision is made.
    Yeah, I had a couple of joints take exception to some 20k months. That couplEd with overall cumulative, can have an effect on store selection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Yeah, I had a couple of joints take exception to some 20k months. That couplEd with overall cumulative, can have an effect on store selection.
    Heck, I have never had a $5k month from any one casino. The max amount I won in one session was $2.2k, max I lost in one session was $3,2k. Its been more like $1k a month from a casino over the past 8 monthsw and I expect the axe to drop.

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    so be it, what do you expect anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Heck, I have never had a $5k month from any one casino. The max amount I won in one session was $2.2k, max I lost in one session was $3,2k. Its been more like $1k a month from a casino over the past 8 monthsw and I expect the axe to drop.
    Some joints are simply far more tolerant than than others. I recall one third or fourth class critter brag to another counter that I was small fry, didn't bet much. Only goes 2x300 or something like that. It was one of my 20k joints, where my cumulative was quite high, and they knew it. They actually let me play on for a period of time. I was caught in a sweep after some teams came through.

    So, consufpder the possibility that your 1k per month may not even be a blip on the radar.

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    Like you ZeeBarbar I was playing rated at my local stores. Eventually they learned my name no matter what shift I played. I thought I was playing within their tolerance level. One on occasion I played for a short time at one store then went to a sister property 15 minutes later. As soon as I sat down security approached me and asked me to come with them. I was new to the AP world and followed them. They took me to a security office, took my picture and made me sign an agreement that I would not set foot on either of their properties. Knowing what I know now, I would have told them I was on my way out and no need to take me to a back room and walk right out the front door. You live and learn.

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    It will be the death sentence for the rated AP. The casino is responsible to send all personal data and the photos they accumulated to all AP database. Most casinos take this responsibility very seriously. Their business life depends on it. So they will send the detailed about you to all known AP database.

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    Listen to Moses and Freightman. Play the came the way you know you should, and stop being paranoid. If and when the tap happens, it will be polite since you have a history at this store. No worries, just act surprised and say, umm, okay and leave. Cash the chips in another day.

    It sucks to be backed off at your local store. You know the dealers, pit folks, ploppies, waitress etc.....If you go there socially, don't AP. If you go there to earn money, don't get hung up on not going there anymore and not being able to see your friends you've made. I went back to my local store after a 1-yr boot and found that people remembered me, but only long enough to say....hey, haven't seen you in awhile. Same with the dealers, I just tell them I've cut back on my 'gambling' and just stopped in to say hello.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    It will be the death sentence for the rated AP. The casino is responsible to send all personal data and the photos they accumulated to all AP database. Most casinos take this responsibility very seriously. Their business life depends on it. So they will send the detailed about you to all known AP database.
    Disagree. I've been confirmed to not be in OSN (at least for now) despite a rated 86ing.

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    In the case of T3, he is using a proprietary counting system so the surveillance cannot confirm. The standard procedure is to confirm using Hi-Lo first, then on the second pass using Zen. If you are using either Hi-Lo or Zen, you will be in the counters database once confirmed, unless the casino is super lazy. Most AP got caught by their local casino because they feel safe there. Even you are using a narrow spread, it really doesn't matter. Casinos just want to know if your bet size goes up with TC.

    Never be rated especially you are using Hi-Lo or Zen. If you are using ace side count system like Omega II or Hi-Opt II, you may get away from being caught.

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