does other player come in and out affect your hand

[abc4000]

Hi pros

Do you guys think new player come in or get out or switch dealer at high count will affect your hand? Specially when you bet big like 20units at +5? Do you guys ask new player to wait or you add an extra hand when player leave?


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[Midwest Player]

Depends if the count is positive or negative. If the count is high I will ask the player to wait, but it is pretty hard to expect someone to wait on a six deck game. If the count is negative and a player is deciding if he wants to play I will ask him to jump in.

[Freightman]

Depends if the count is positive or negative. If the count is high I will ask the player to wait, but it is pretty hard to expect someone to wait on a six deck game. If the count is negative and a player is deciding if he wants to play I will ask him to jump in.

This is where it's good to have no mid shoe entry. You get to hog all the good cards, and likely also have the option of inviting arriving players into a negative count.

Without NMSE, if someone comes into a monster count, it's time to go to 2 hands.

[DSchles]

"This is where it's good to have no mid shoe entry. You get to hog all the good cards, and likely also have the option of inviting arriving players into a negative count."

Huh? How do you invite players to enter mid-shoe in a NMSE game? YOU decide that they can break the casino rule????

Don

[Freightman]

"This is where it's good to have no mid shoe entry. You get to hog all the good cards, and likely also have the option of inviting arriving players into a negative count."

Huh? How do you invite players to enter mid-shoe in a NMSE game? YOU decide that they can break the casino rule????

Don

My end of the world allows this. where there is NMSE ,as the player, the option to allow other players, is mine. I recognize, obviously, that the option is not universal.

[Banker]

"This is where it's good to have no mid shoe entry. You get to hog all the good cards, and likely also have the option of inviting arriving players into a negative count."

Huh? How do you invite players to enter mid-shoe in a NMSE game? YOU decide that they can break the casino rule????

Don

Yes, that is actually a common practice in HL rooms in some casinos. The games are NMSE unless it is ok with the player(s) on the table. It does not make any sense from game protection point of view but it does happen. I would say the casinos the allow this are employing it more as courtesy to big players rather than for game protection.

[abc4000]

"This is where it's good to have no mid shoe entry. You get to hog all the good cards, and likely also have the option of inviting arriving players into a negative count."

Huh? How do you invite players to enter mid-shoe in a NMSE game? YOU decide that they can break the casino rule????

Don

Hi don

"At hight counts"

So you ask player not to enter the game bc you can get more good cards, not bc the flow of the cards will change right? Then do you split you total bets to two hands if a player leave the table to keep the same flow. Am i been in superstition here or all you dont like to change hands when betting big?


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[BoSox]

Do you guys think new player come in or get out or switch dealer at high count will affect your hand?

You have to get out of that line of thinking period. The cards are just cards without a mind, a change in the order of the cards is going to help you just as much as hurt you in the long term. All you need to know is you are making a large unit bet "accordingly, based on your playing bank" because the true count calls for it. The same theories also apply if some ploppy makes a wrong play, he or she will just as much help or hurt you. If a one hand win or loss affects your playing bank greatly, you are way over betting, and subsequently just gambling.

Do you guys ask new player to wait or you add an extra hand when player leave?

Yes, you kindly ask a new player if they will wait, ONLY because you do not want him/her eating up cards and possibly losing an extra round of play at +5. If you are so fortunately lucky that suddenly a seat on either side of you opens while you were only playing one hand and the true count is +5 you quickly put chips in that open spot, preferably betting both hands at 75% each of what the one hand wager would have been. Simultaneously announcing if you won the previous hand that you do not want to change the flow, if you lost the last hand say you want to change the flow. Knowing in your mind everything you just said was hogwash.

[Bubbles]

I've played some NMSE places. If the count is negative and someone wants to join, I ask if they can join me. The pit almost always tells the dealer to shuffle so they can join or rarely just lets them hop right in. Either way I don't have to eat through the negative count and I also make the joining ploppys happy. Only once the pit said no. I told them that was bad customer service, I didn't want to play anymore, coloured up and left.

As for the flow of cards.. it's ploppy thinking and is just fanciful superstition. If someone leaves, I might go to two hands and announce, "I don't want to disrupt the flow of the cards." In reality, I see a perfect opportunity to get more money on the table in a high count without drawing a lot of attention.

[Freightman]

Bosox
Firstly, my apologies on misspelling Bosox as Bisox, which autocorrected to Bisexual. I decided to correct that.

I've had counters at my table pull out for whiz breaks, or to break the flow. It's one thing for ploppies, but for better players who should k ow better.

Numb nuts number 1 went for a whiz break during a negative count to return, only to see me betting table max. Stuff happens sometimes, and this time, he had the good sense to stay out.

Numb nuts number 2 announced vociferously that he was pulling out to change the flow. I told the motherfucking prick later to stay out if my games, not to even think if pulling that shit with me again. The ********** recognized the subtlety if my comments and correctly interpreted them.

I've also shared a table with a pro, who wanted to legitimately leave, but stayed in till the count came back to neutral. I viewed the action as classy.

As to inviting players in or not, seems that my whims change with the count.

[Freightman]

There's a place I frequent which has NMSE, and leave the cards in the discard rack when the table is empty. If I pull up, I simp,y say that table us NMSE, and to kindly reshuffle.

[abc4000]

You have to get out of that line of thinking period. The cards are just cards without a mind, a change in the order of the cards is going to help you just as much as hurt you in the long term. All you need to know is you are making a large unit bet "accordingly, based on your playing bank" because the true count calls for it. The same theories also apply if some ploppy makes a wrong play, he or she will just as much help or hurt you. If a one hand win or loss affects your playing bank greatly, you are way over betting, and subsequently just gambling.





Yes, you kindly ask a new player if they will wait, ONLY because you do not want him/her eating up cards and possibly losing an extra round of play at +5. If you are so fortunately lucky that suddenly a seat on either side of you opens while you were only playing one hand and the true count is +5 you quickly put chips in that open spot, preferably betting both hands at 75% each of what the one hand wager would have been. Simultaneously announcing if you won the previous hand that you do not want to change the flow, if you lost the last hand say you want to change the flow. Knowing in your mind everything you just said was hogwash.

Thanks reply

So when you split to two hands, 75% each of what the one hand wager means you increase your bet up by 50% right. Do you increase every hand until count goes down or you only do that one time?


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[BoSox]

So when you split to two hands, 75% each of what the one hand wager means you increase your bet up by 50% right.

Actually you lowered your bet by 25% but because you added a hand that is also sized at the same amount as the other hand, both hands taken together equal 50% more than the one hand wager you just previously made.

Do you increase every hand until count goes down or you only do that one time?

Are you just having fun for yourself, at the expense of the people who respond to your post? If you are I do not think it is funny.