Tolerance level advice needed for local casinos..

[ZeeBabar]

This is for the non Las Vegas, non heavy traveling, 1-3 casino town AP's. If you are going to play locally, if they are going to know you, if you get a players card, what might be the tolerance level of the casinos, that is, what strategies would you use to keep being welcomed.

Is it going to be cumulative wins and you are going to lose the casinos once you have extracted a set sum? Is it going yo be because you have a series of wins or are a consistent winner regardless of the amount of your wins (say $100 -$200 a session, 3-4 sessions a week).

If you plan to play 3-4 times a week and your goal is $800 a week, you have 2 stores in your area, what strategy would you use to maintain your playability in those local casinos where being anonymous is impossible? Has anyone done this sort of thing!

[scroogemcduck]

If you put a lot of time into just 2 casinos, you are not going to stay under the radar. You need to spread the action around more casinos than that to stay under the radar. Don't be lazy, drive out to wherever the other casinos are.

[Stealth]

Zee,

In that situation you need to spread across shifts/days of week as well as casinos. Your first level of cover comes from betting and staying out of the PB's radar. Well designed, obscure betting patterns will help keep the PB form referring you to surveillance. Look to Dr. Richard Reid ebook Dynamic Blackjack for betting with alternate bankrolls for ideas of where to start. You can get the money bet without a stair step "red flag" betting system.

Using the local casino so they will know you as a reason to play rated does not hold water. Yes, they are going to know you but they don't have a regulated procedure for tracking your play like they do if you have a card. And I understand that once you get a card, you can't un-ring the bell. If you now try to stop giving them a card, they will record your play on your card anyway from their memory of your name.

Cumulative winning is a store based issue and will bite you at some point. That point may well be a review of your players card activity which is certainly occurring monthly for marketing reasons (another reason not to use the damn things). I suggest they have a monthly report of cumulative winners and at certain thresholds they refer them to surveillance who review your play. Then you are likely toast. Even if they know you, you can take away their "ease of tracking".

BTW, what difference does it make what their cumulative win threshold is? Are you going to stop winning when near it? I would speculate that you might be able to stop playing until they recycle the players card points/tracking (most reissue new cards annually at some as of date). Having the real information would be helpful but good luck with that, unless you have insider information.

[ZeeBabar]

Thanks, Moses.

[ZeeBabar]

Good points. From here on out, I will limit a session to an hour. This would bring me closer to a 60:40 win ratio, book more losses. Once I move there, I can vary the shifts I play at each casino, maybe 3 visits a week on three different shifts.

Also explore Iowa, Illinois and a Indiana casinos. Never played in Iowa.

[ZeeBabar]

I suppose in regular local casinos, it might be a good idea to have a session stop when winning $200 or playing 45 minutes, whichever comes first. I noticed that they often, when busy, do not bother to note when a player walks away. Sometimes, I have abruptly gotten up, did not color up, flashed chips in my hand, told the dealer I was up $100, be back soon and left. At one casino, my records showed I had won $1800+ the past year but their won loss record showed me as having lost $4500+.

Is it a good idea to check won/loss record often?

[Bushie]

Ha what tolerance.

I consider myself a mid skill level counter, not a rookie and certainly not a pro. I've made a himble profit over an amount of time, but nothing to write to home about.

Fairly recently I've noticed pit staff acting very unusual around me when I play. For the first time ever tonight i had a dealer yell:

"Chip up!"

when I raised my bet from $15 to a lowsy $30. This is not standard procedure, and was the first time I've heatd them call that besides the occassional "black chip action" when whales bet big. That and I've also noticed security kinda just lingering around me, and they now they say bye to me when I leave, which is also unusual.

Is this an omen? I live in a country where casinos cant actually bar me from the premises because of skillful play. They can however place certain restrictions on how I play i.e bets limited to 1-3 of initial bet, 1 box only, no MSE etc.

[Bubbles]

The chip up call is a little weird. Have you played with this dealer before with him not calling that?

Dunno about security. I'm usually friendly to them. Sometimes they'll come say hi or chat if they're allowed and always say bye to me if they know me. They might just like you, which is good. If their interaction with you is cold, then it's more likely heat.

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[Bushie]

The chip up call is a little weird. Have you played with this dealer before with him not calling that?

Dunno about security. I'm usually friendly to them. Sometimes they'll come say hi or chat if they're allowed and always say bye to me if they know me. They might just like you, which is good. If their interaction with you is cold, then it's more likely heat.

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Yeah I have. He's never done it before, and its certainly not standard procedure. It was really weird, especially for a small bet like $30.

The security thing could be anything I guess. Thats probably just patanoid jitters in hindsight.

Another thing; they've been sorta hassling me about getting a playercard, or asking if I have one. They only found out what my name was because I entered a BJ a couple weeks ago, and an acquaintance said my name. I dont want one because I dont want them having my details and deeper scrutiny over wins/loses, comps be damned.

This is from a group that has a monopoly on slot machines in the entire state, as well as numerous luxury hotels and bottleshops. They shouldnt be so sweaty surely..

[refinery]

Dunno about security. I'm usually friendly to them. Sometimes they'll come say hi or chat if they're allowed and always say bye to me if they know me.

It's good to be nice to security. They're going to be there when you get backed off. It's nice if they like you.

[hitthat16]

At some point your local casinos will realize that you have not lost money over the long term like you should have. At this point, the axe will mercilessly fall.

I was overly welcomed and grossly overcomped for years at my local stores. Suddenly and out of nowhere, I was given the cold shoulder and 86ed from not only the casinos, but even from the gas station that they own down the street.

My point is that your local places will unfortunately not last forever. Might as well squeeze the profit while you can until they finally realize what is happening.

[abc4000]

Its nice to see you guys already start to worry about casino tolerance level, for me im still trying to figure out how to beat them


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[21forme]

Its nice to see you guys already start to worry about casino tolerance level, for me im still trying to figure out how to beat them

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