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    fab 4 and standard surrender strategy

    Hey guys, the casino i always go offers s17 6d surrender game, and i spoke to few card counters, they dont like to surrender their hands even they bet big, what they do is they only stands 16 vs all dealer non bust card at any positive count, or they hit all other stiff hands"like 15 vs 10,16 vs 10 at negative counts all hit"

    I think its a ok strategy when i play small at normal count since i only bet one unit, but when counts goes high i bet alot more, one misplay could be really costly. So any experts here give an advice maybe i should switch to fab 4 and basic surrender strategy when tc >+3 and i start bet big

    Thanks alot




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    learn the surrender indexes and use them

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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    " ... card counters, they dont like to surrender."
    I fully appreciate the (unintentional) humor. You spoke to a few PLOPPIES.

    The VALUE of Late Surrender increases proportionally to the numbers of

    decks in play, but that value doesn't change by more than 0.20%

    It is worth the least in a Single Deck game.

    The Basic Strategist in the 6 deck game gains 0.70% in e.v.

    The Card Counter gains much more - depending on his bet

    spread AND how complete his set of Late Surrender indices is.

    For me, in the game described it is worth at least 0.95%

    With good penetration, I play H17 shoes with Late Surrender.



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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    Hey guys, the casino i always go offers s17 6d surrender game, and i spoke to few card counters, they dont like to surrender their hands even they bet big, what they do is they only stands 16 vs all dealer non bust card at any positive count, or they hit all other stiff hands"like 15 vs 10,16 vs 10 at negative counts all hit"

    The few card counters that you were talking to, by chance were they okay card counters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bosox View Post
    " ... By chance were they okay card counters?"
    O.K. ~ or ~ K.O. ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    The Basic Strategist in the 6 deck game gains 0.70% in e.v.

    ZMF, I believe the gain is .073% for LS in the S 17 game.
    Last edited by BoSox; 06-18-2017 at 01:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    "ZMF, I believe the gain is .073% for the S 17 game."
    When dealing with rank beginners I choose to round off the figures.

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    With a spread of 200 to 1, deep penetration, 8 decks, and playing

    with a complete set of Hi-Opt II indices for Late Surrender the e.v.

    value for Late Surrender would be very considerable!

    Any guesses? Bueller? Bueller? ZeeBabar?


    Last edited by ZenMaster_Flash; 06-18-2017 at 01:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    When dealing with rank beginners I choose to round off the figures.

    ************************************************** *********************

    With a spread of 200 to 1, deep penetration, 8 decks, and playing

    with a complete set of Hi-Opt II indices for Late Surrender the e.v.

    value for Late Surrender would be very considerable!

    Any guesses? Bueller? Bueller?



    I have no idea but I suspect you will be playing the last hand of the shoe as far as the casino is concerned.

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    the value of late surrender is inflated considerably. who said he is spreading . i would never make assumption when the post didn't say he was the one spreading .

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    Quote Originally Posted by stopgambling View Post
    the value of late surrender is inflated considerably. who said he is spreading . i would never make assumption when the post didn't say he was the one spreading .

    I realized ZMF was giving an example, my reference to you was meant to be anyone that was willing to try that. Sorry ZMF for the wrong appearance.
    Last edited by BoSox; 06-18-2017 at 03:13 PM.

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