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    newb want an advice on betting flow

    Hi guys

    After been here couple of days i realize there r some real experts here, like don and few others. I thought i was ok on counting cards, fine, i admit im still newb. Could you guys give me some advice on betting flow which im so confusing right now.

    Casino near me only have $15 table, 6d s17 game

    So i play $15 at normal count

    Tc2 - 2 unit
    Tc3- 4 unit
    Tc4- 8 unit
    Tc5- 12 unit
    Tc6- 16 unit
    Tc7+ 20 units

    Get out the table at tc negative 2

    The problem here is.

    1) let say the count is tc6 i bet 16 units $240 which is consider a very big hands for a $15 min bet already, if i win that hand and count still stay at tc6, should i bet same $240 again? What if i win the hand and count go up to tc7, and right bet is $300 now, should i still follow the rule and bet $300 or i should lower my bet since i already win a big hand.

    I heard some people say you should lower your bet to half if you win a big hand even the count still high, because you only have few percent advantage to win even the count is high, so you should keep the winning and lower one time before you follow the normal bet again. I also heard people say stay with the rule no matter how count goes.

    Also let say if tc6 i bet $240 then i lost the hand and count drop to tc4, should i take the lose and lower my bet $120, or i should bet $240 one more time to get it back.

    Thanks for the advice pros



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    Your ramp is too slow. TC7 in a shoe is ridiculously rare, in most counts.

    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    I heard some people say you should lower your bet to half if you win a big hand even the count still high
    Normally, I'm a nonviolent person. But, that advice gives me pause about my life long beliefs. Seriously, that's
    terrible advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    Hi guys

    After been here couple of days i realize there r some real experts here, like don and few others. I thought i was ok on counting cards, fine, i admit im still newb. Could you guys give me some advice on betting flow which im so confusing right now.

    Casino near me only have $15 table, 6d s17 game

    So i play $15 at normal count

    Tc2 - 2 unit
    Tc3- 4 unit
    Tc4- 8 unit
    Tc5- 12 unit
    Tc6- 16 unit
    Tc7+ 20 units

    Get out the table at tc negative 2
    Are you using a level 2 counting system and calculating TC by deck?

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    [QUOTE=abc4000;224013]Hi guys

    After been here couple of days i realize there r some real experts here, like don and few others. I thought i was ok on counting cards, fine, i admit im still newb. Could you guys give me some advice on betting flow which im so confusing right now.

    Casino near me only have $15 table, 6d s17 game

    So i play $15 at normal count

    Tc2 - 2 unit
    Tc3- 4 unit
    Tc4- 8 unit
    Tc5- 12 unit
    Tc6- 16 unit
    Tc7+ 20 units

    Get out the table at tc negative 2

    The problem here is.

    1) let say the count is tc6 i bet 16 units $240 which is consider a very big hands for a $15 min bet already, if i win that hand and count still stay at tc6, should i bet same $240 again? What if i win the hand and count go up to tc7, and right bet is $300 now, should i still follow the rule and bet $300 or i should lower my bet since i already win a big hand.

    I heard some people say you should lower your bet to half if you win a big hand even the count still high, because you only have few percent advantage to win even the count is high, so you should keep the winning and lower one time before you follow the normal bet again. I also heard people say stay with the rule no matter how count goes.

    Also let say if tc6 i bet $240 then i lost the hand and count drop to tc4, should i take the lose and lower my bet $120, or i should bet $240 one more time to get it back.

    Thanks for the advice pros



    If you use a level 2 count your top bet is at +6 and it should not exceed .5% of your total bank. You should have /< 200 max bets to be able to handle the flux. But if you are a newbie and you haven't memorized this article(http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...t/wontwin.html), you should.
    The dawning of the age of 6/5 blackjack has already arrived, threatening to make conditions unplayable. But the real bottom line is you need to be mobile to make anything worthwhile at this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    Are you using a level 2 counting system and calculating TC by deck?
    Hi

    What do you mean by level 2? Yes i calculate tc with running count divide by deck left


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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    Hi

    What do you mean by level 2? Yes i calculate tc with running count divide by deck left


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    Popular level 1 systems include Hi-Lo, Hi-Opt I.

    Popular level 2 systems include Hi-Opt II, Omega II, Zen.

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    Images assume HiLo full index.

    So, the first image is my design system, takeoff from cvcx, that shows the game and bank assumptions but proposes a different and faster bet ramp that spreads to 2 spots at positive and wongs out at 98% of all TC-1 or worse. This is a much stronger game that almost doubles your EV per round.

    CVCX is the basis for these calculations (images) and you should consider buying it for your own use.

    I GIVE UP ON PUTTING IMAGES IN POST. TRIED TO RESIZE AND LOSE RESOLUTION.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    Popular level 1 systems include Hi-Lo, Hi-Opt I.

    Popular level 2 systems include Hi-Opt II, Omega II, Zen.
    I use basic high low system


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    Leaving NO uninformed amateur behind
    ...

    The Level of a Count is delineated by the tag value

    assigned (specifically) to the Face Cards and Tens.

    Level 3 and Level 4 counts are "not worth the effort"

    as they are superseded by the two best Level 2 Counts,

    namely Hi-Opt II and Advanced Omega, between which

    there is hardly an R C H of difference, though Hi-Opt II

    still reigns supreme in reference to all 'practical' counts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    I use basic high low system


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    Your bet ramp is inaccurate for Hi-Lo system.

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    Hi guys, what i really confuse is do you drop your bet after a big win even the count goes higher or your still bet by the higher count


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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    Hi guys, what i really confuse is do you drop your bet after a big win even the count goes higher or your still bet by the higher count


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    Nope. The bet size is fixed with your advantage indicated by the value of TC. Winning or losing the previous hand doesn't affect it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    Nope. The bet size is fixed with your advantage indicated by the value of TC. Winning or losing the previous hand doesn't affect it.
    Thanks man, i was waiting for this clear answer, i think i will bet more confident now


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