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    Is it better to maximize CE or minimize N0?

    I asked this question in another thread but would like to hear more opinions. Game selection is very important for a counter.

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    For my game, minimizing my n0.

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    maximize hourly rate and minimize ROR

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    When you say your EV is 112 dollar/100 rounds , does that mean your practically earn 112 dollars every 100th rounds dealt? I need some clarifications on this. Thank you Tthree!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    If I can find fast dealers I like to minimize n0. If the games are slow I either don't play or minimize CE. My system is a bit different tan others, If I truly minimize n0 EV takes a huge hit compared to allowing a slightly larger n0. The ramp I actually use tries to have the lowest N0 without giving up too much EV to get the last decrease in n0 to actually minimize it. For example if I minimize n0 my n0 is 10,574 and my EV is $81.18/100 rounds. If I want more EV without giving up much in n0 my n0 is 11,125 and my EV is $112.00/100 rounds. My n0 is very low so I will add 5.21% to my n0 to add 37.97% to my EV. If I had a high n0 I might be trying to figure out any way I could to lower it.


    I like the low heat of shoe games because I do all the stuff everyone says isn't worth it in shoe games but in ways they probably never thought of or tried that makes the techniques far more effective. Of course shoe games being ubiquitous in my region might have helped shape that view. It is hard to find a pitch game worth playing and when you do it won't last long. When I read about the insane heat and horrible conditions people regularly choose to deal with i have no desire to travel to were I can play pitch games.
    Just curious. I see no reference to SCORE or risk. Can you perhaps explain how you are factoring risk into your decisions?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    Also managing a table well adds to EV. Incentives also add to this.
    What do you mean by managing a table well? If I gave you the particulars for two games could you tell me which is the better game given my bankroll?

    MJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    SCORE is implied by n0.

    n0 = 1,000,000/SCORE.
    So a N0 of 11,125 would have a SCORE of 89.89

    As for risk that is related to BR. My RoR is less than 0.01% because I have grown a large BR.

    The point was to demonstrate how maximizing or minimizing anything might not be your best option. I have a 6 figure BR so risk is not an issue.
    Hmmmmm, 6 figure bankroll, but you just told me your biggest bet is $500!


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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaKevinB View Post
    Hmmmmm, 6 figure bankroll, but you just told me your biggest bet is $500!


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    Some of us like a very small RoR. If you do not have a backup source of income, minimizing RoR is imperative. The casinos we frequent also limit our max. They don't all tolerate large spreads or maxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaKevinB View Post
    Hmmmmm, 6 figure bankroll, but you just told me your biggest bet is $500!
    Yes. Any higher and I would be backed off by now. Plus I can make more with that top bet than most can make with a higher one. I am a longevity player. I have been told by some pros that have played the same stores I play that my top bet is too large. I think it is the Goldielocks top bet.

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    Is it better to maximize CE or minimize N0?

    [QUOTE=Fenix;221888]Some of us like a very small RoR.
    Last edited by pilotzone; 08-28-2017 at 10:40 PM.

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    Is it better to maximize CE or minimize N0?

    [QUOTE=moses;221916]Sometimes there is just not enough rocks. So you adjust your game or get on a plane. It's either worth the time invested or it isn't. Just that simple.[/
    Last edited by pilotzone; 08-01-2017 at 11:34 PM.

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    Is it better to maximize CE or minimize N0?

    I haven't
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaKevinB View Post
    Hmmmmm, 6 figure bankroll, but you just told me your biggest bet is $500!


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    He mentioned 6 figure bankroll, and an RoR of 0.01%. His max bet being $500 pretty much backs up all of the mathematics there that you are questioning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenix View Post
    Some of us like a very small RoR. If you do not have a backup source of income, minimizing RoR is imperative. The casinos we frequent also limit our max. They don't all tolerate large spreads or maxes.

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    Precisely, Fenix. I often play at places that have $200-$300 table maxes, though my max bet for my game is $250, sometimes I have to alter that to fly under the radar so I'm not generating a constant "table max" call.

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    From what i read, they surrounded him and pushed his chips forward and told the dealer to color him up.

    Those chips are my property that i purchased. I enjoy having fun, telling jokes, and laughing. But someone puts their hands on me, my property, or threatens my loved ones my personality changes to one nasty bastard. It's just the way i was raised. Exeter knows what i mean.

    I thought Tupelo might be a fun trip...if Bodarc invited me to go fishing.
    There's still a lot of decent places to play out there, all things considered. I personally like that Tupelo area though

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