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    Quote Originally Posted by Exoter175 View Post
    Its the never ending pompous parade of irrelevance, comparing one count to another. Is there one mathematically best count? Yes. Should you use it? That answer won't always be yes
    Can I get an AMEN? Some of the very best players I've seen use a level one count.

    Choose your count like a tool--you wouldn't use a hammer to drill a hole. Pick the one best suited for your game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RCJH View Post
    Can I get an AMEN? Some of the very best players I've seen use a level one count.

    Choose your count like a tool--you wouldn't use a hammer to drill a hole. Pick the one best suited for your game.


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    Extreme emphasis on YOUR game. Not the game T3 believes to be the best, or Moses, or Flash, but you, the counter. You, the person investing the money.

    Don't stop there, though, pickup every possible angle you can when you're within the confines of the Casino, if that means playing rated, hole carding, comp hustling, whatever, take advantage as you can.

    Counting methods, like Blackjack, are merely one layer upon a many layered Onion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    "it must be wrong or bad math ... a different way of seeing the cards."
    In your case, it is either one or both. Substituting mixed sports
    metaphors and biographical tales do NOT serve your purposes.
    Mathematics has a language. A language that you do not speak.
    Languages are how we communicate. I do not expect you to
    understand Z-Scores, Skewness, Kurtosis, etc. You can study stat'.

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    T3 probably meant that few AP's would touch your game. Of course the ploppies will play. They're playing 6:5 all across the continent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Blackjack is very much like a sport. I'm not saying you have to be an athlete to succeed. But i am saying I've seen many scholars break or go on tilt.

    In a sport, there is a point where no one knows the outcome for sure. You are so damn tired, hot, and sweaty that you just want it to be over. If you've ever got kicked in the nuts or dove onto a hardwood floor while sprinting you know what I mean. It f'ing hurts. But you pop back up because you dont want to reveal a message of weakness to your opposition. You look up at the clock and there is still 6.42 to go, the score is tied and you think "how in the hell am I going to survive." Then you think "survive? We came here to win." Then you look over at your opponent and he is bent over holding the bottom of his shorts or hollering at his teammates. "That's when you know you are going to win and something else takes over that is deep inside and you didnt know it existed. It's a pretty cool feeling. IMO, that same mental approach must go into the game of blackjack. Except your opponent is that what exists from within yourself. Thus the sports metaphors.

    The tricky part is they can forfeit which makes you the loser.
    Truth be told, if you're going to use a sports metaphor to compare with Blackjack, it would be boxing, undoubtedly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    I did. Responding to Frank. That's how this whole thing started. Mighty Flash to the rescue.
    True, but the way you used it was improper, IE having you on the ropes. Its more like a title bout that goes 10-12 rounds, where variance, or n0 is the opposition, where we can then positively reference mental preparation akin to the fighter's training, in terms of being able to play through long sessions/hours to see our goal, EV.

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    So, uhm... Moses, have you figured out that (A) side count is good? (A) side count sucks and is like dribbling four basketballs with only two arms? (A) side count sounds like fun on Mondays but by Friday it gets old? Is the (A) side count the difference between TKO and no TKO?Hahaha

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    Tarzan. Ive always used the Ace side count. It's part of the column count. It's just the smallest column. You should know better than anyone that deck composition is the opening you want. Do you want Aces? Hell yes, the more the better. But if i swat them in the chops as hard and often as you on Monday, then i will be handicapping horses and boarding airplanes by Friday.

    Your count is about deck correlation. Flash is spewing nonsense about PE which went out with the 80s. Don S has stated number times PE is useless. So with Wong Halves you get 994 BC. Perfert Insurance is 1000 IC. You have everything but deck composition.

    Few guys like you and I are willing to take that extra step of tracking columns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    How often does Norm agree with me? That is hard to say. On the rare occasions he speaks out it is to disagree with me. Does that mean he mostly disagrees with me or that he mostly agrees with me and only speaks out when he doesn't? I think he knows I know my stuff but doesn't necessarily agree that I use it in the best way, at least for the general public.
    Just saying it seems as though you and Flash are the forum dictators. It's exact math. 4th grade stuff.

    Why Can't you get it?

    These never ending threads are a result of T3 and Flash imposing their will on Hi Opt II. EOR will never change. However, constant change proves historical. Create confusion to confound the understanding. You don't need a mentor.

    Wong Halves and Perfect Insurance is the best way to keep up with it all.

    For a deeper understanding of the game see Moses Column Charts and Explanation.

    Top engineers have the ability to understand complex equations. But the best ones can make complex simple again.
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    moses says: "The Ace probably isnt as vital for me as it is for you."

    ACES are vital in a Single Deck game.
    In fact, an SD game that is S17
    can be beaten with the Ace-Five count,
    not that you can find that gem.

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    OMG. Y'all need to stop.
    Don, can you kill a thread?
    The poor OP has probably ran screaming to another forum.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RCJH View Post
    OMG. Y'all need to stop.
    Don, can you kill a thread?
    The poor OP has probably ran screaming to another forum.


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    What other forum? There's really not a comparable forum around, sadly.

    Also, for the OP, I too count in letters for my sidecounts

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    Can be very valuable if you use Multi-Parameter Indexes for playing decisions, particularly in shoe games with 1 deck or less cutoff or pitch games. For most modern shoe games (1.5 decks cutoff or worse) you're better off just using a straight balanced count like High-Low, Halves, or Zen and spread as big a your bankroll can stand. The more insulting the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigplayer View Post
    "spread as big as your bankroll can stand. The more insulting the better."
    BigPlayer and I probably have a combined 60 years of Professional Play.
    Naturally, we have our agreements and disagreements. In my experience,
    the above quotation is dubious advice. I prefer "grinding" to "slash and burn."
    Both stratagems are tactical approaches, but the former creates longevity
    and the latter carries a very HIGH R.O.R.

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