Single 21

[DD11]

Well just since things are a little slow on these threads, I figured I'd ask about this game.
I have only seen it at one store which I'm not a fan of visiting for various reasons. However, for those you aren't familiar with it here are the rules
The bad: blackjack pays 1:1 unless suited then pays 3:2
Single deck but only 3 rounds are dealt even if its heads up, until you have 4 spots being played then it's two hands dealt

The good: surrender at any time, that even means after double downs or splits
Double down at any time on any number of cards ex. If you have 5,2 then pull a 4 you can then double down, if you pull say a 5 and dealer shows a 10 then you can surrender
Splitting is also interesting. Say on the 5,2 hand you hit and get the 4 and double down and pull another 4 you can then split that 4 to a new hand. This goes for any cards you have no matter the total or amount of cards dealt.
EDIT: also BJ always pays even if dealer has it, if dealer has BJ and you have unsuited BJ it pays 1:1 suited it's still 3:2

Just wondering if anyone has any experience with it. And all the odd blackjack tables anybody else has found thought this country
Really just tried of the same old stuff being posted and nothing interesting, which this may not be interesting to some but oh well, try to change things up a bit from the normal "bash zee on every post" and super in depth post for newbies

[lij45o6]

Well just since things are a little slow on these threads, I figured I'd ask about this game.
I have only seen it at one store which I'm not a fan of visiting for various reasons. However, for those you aren't familiar with it here are the rules
The bad: blackjack pays 1:1 unless suited then pays 3:2
Single deck but only 3 rounds are dealt even if its heads up, until you have 4 spots being played then it's two hands dealt

The good: surrender at any time, that even means after double downs or splits
Double down at any time on any number of cards ex. If you have 5,2 then pull a 4 you can then double down, if you pull say a 5 and dealer shows a 10 then you can surrender
Splitting is also interesting. Say on the 5,2 hand you hit and get the 4 and double down and pull another 4 you can then split that 4 to a new hand. This goes for any cards you have no matter the total or amount of cards dealt.

Just wondering if anyone has any experience with it. And all the odd blackjack tables anybody else has found thought this country
Really just tried of the same old stuff being posted and nothing interesting, which this may not be interesting to some but oh well, try to change things up a bit from the normal "bash zee on every post" and super in depth post for newbies

Do you have a promo card that goes with the game? Anything from your state's gambling commission site showing math/strategy/HE?

Considering this is NOT a well-known game, as it is not prominent in any of the big gaming areas of the US, it should be assumed that no strategy has been developed.
For surrender, multi-card suRR tables can be generated via CA. That is a good start!

Is this a French deck or a Spanish deck we are playing with? Considering we can redouble, a surplus of Tens for single digit values is ++EV while suRR is +EV again under certain condition (I would guesstimate surrender 12-17 vs dealer 8-A and 18/19 vs dealer X-A)

[ZenMaster_Flash]

I believe that the LOSS to the House Edge on "Even Money" BJ's costs you 2.36%
In this case, it will cost you 3/4 of that -- 1.77% So the REAL House Edge you are
facing is well over 2% That is a huge kick in the ... to negate, especially with typical
bet spreads and normal penetration.

At first glance, it does not look like you can gain that much with the otherwise very
friendly rules. In addition, one would be doubling very very aggressively. This is the
sort of game that cries out for a count with a very high Playing Efficiency.

[DD11]

Yeah that's what I was thinking, I guessed it to be around 1.3 disadvantage. You know a friend showed me a 6 month old copy of CBJN and I found that game and they said house edge to be at .45%... I really don't trust CBJN I have found a couple other pretty off things about it as well. I don't even purchase it anymore. I find it more of a "guide" as to what state you want to look for games at more than specific casino and games

[albee]

I agree with Flash....a carnival game. But, if they dealt more than 3-rounds and didn't spaz out with going from $25 to 200 or so, or jumping to two hands of 150.....it might be something to consider.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Precisely where is this 'game' offered?

[DD11]

Ballys in tunica

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Yeppers! Sho' 'nuf Figger's

An "Evil Empire"* Outpost in MS.

*C.E.T. [Caesars Entertainment ]

[mrcharlie]

Taken from http://www.ballystunica.com/ homepage:

Bally's Tunica is owned and operated by RIH Acquisitions MS II, LLC, a Mississippi limited liability company, which licenses the name Bally's from Caesars License Company, LLC.
Bally's Tunica and RIH Acquisitions MS II, LLC have no affiliation with Caesars License Company, LLC and its affiliates.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

My bad. The casino name is leased. It is still a sh*thole.

[phantom]

I played this game a few times in Tunica and I always won. I figured the odds were bad and I was just getting lucky, but it was fun to play.

[Al Rogers]

Yeah that's what I was thinking, I guessed it to be around 1.3 disadvantage. You know a friend showed me a 6 month old copy of CBJN and I found that game and they said house edge to be at .45%... I really don't trust CBJN I have found a couple other pretty off things about it as well. I don't even purchase it anymore. I find it more of a "guide" as to what state you want to look for games at more than specific casino and games

If you find errors in CBJN, kindly email me at [email protected] with the details. We appreciate any information and corrections you wish to provide.

With the retirement of several of our long-time reporters and the general deterioration of blackjack, many pro players no longer regularly visit some of the venues that we previously updated every month. It is difficult to find reporters in some areas. Nevertheless, we do our best to provide timely, accurate information. When we do not succeed, we appreciate specifics so we can correct the error. Thank you.

Al Rogers
Interim CBJN Editor

[Midwest Player]

Well just since things are a little slow on these threads, I figured I'd ask about this game.
I have only seen it at one store which I'm not a fan of visiting for various reasons. However, for those you aren't familiar with it here are the rules
The bad: blackjack pays 1:1 unless suited then pays 3:2
Single deck but only 3 rounds are dealt even if its heads up, until you have 4 spots being played then it's two hands dealt

The good: surrender at any time, that even means after double downs or splits
Double down at any time on any number of cards ex. If you have 5,2 then pull a 4 you can then double down, if you pull say a 5 and dealer shows a 10 then you can surrender
Splitting is also interesting. Say on the 5,2 hand you hit and get the 4 and double down and pull another 4 you can then split that 4 to a new hand. This goes for any cards you have no matter the total or amount of cards dealt.
EDIT: also BJ always pays even if dealer has it, if dealer has BJ and you have unsuited BJ it pays 1:1 suited it's still 3:2

Just wondering if anyone has any experience with it. And all the odd blackjack tables anybody else has found thought this country
Really just tried of the same old stuff being posted and nothing interesting, which this may not be interesting to some but oh well, try to change things up a bit from the normal "bash zee on every post" and super in depth post for newbies

There is a very similar game in the Midwest like you describe but it is 6 decks and all blackjacks pay even money, but blackjack always wins. CBJN says house edge is 1.67%
1 table, 6 deck, pen 1.5, min $ 2, max $50, rules h17, 1:1, da, sura, 21w, toke