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    Pointing out dealer mistakes

    [QUOTE=terry0222;221764]I said I was done with this thread. But I guess I lied about that. quote from terry!

    Hmmmm!! I guess your moral compass doesn't work all the time. Lol
    Moses said it where most can understand, hopefully!
    It's a game where you compete to win, usually the casino crushes the players. All the rules are in the casinos favour, if the dealers pays you by mistake, maybe this evens out things a bit. I wouldn't cheat my friend or the store owner, but I would sure cheat a cheater!! Is the casino a cheater? Maybe! I can tell you that most casinos are owned by someone that has political power, and that they get where they are by knowing the right people. Look at Macau to see how owners paid off the right people to get a casino licence. They don't call it a licence to steal without reason.
    To sum it up, when your playing a game, and one of your team mates commits a fowl, I don't think you would be considered smart by going and telling the ref.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Terry. I think your values are correct. But your places are misplaced. A store is a fair exchange. A casino is competition. Suppose an official steps off a 20 yard penalty which is 5 yards to your teams advantage. Any Coach that pointed this out might not only get fired, but hung.

    Suppose you are at table full of people. The dealer has 3 up and a 3 in the hole. Now hits 5,4,6. He begins to pay everyone at the table. Are you still going to point his error? Or just give back your portion?
    Not sure if I agree with your statement that a store and a casino are conceptually different. But, I'll think about that one.

    As I said in an earlier post, I DO keep my mouth shut when the type of error your describe impacts others at the table. If the error rewards others in addition to myself, I remain quiet. Likewise, if I see that another player receives a payment in error e.g., a payoff when it was a push, I also keep quiet. I only correct the dealer when the payoff error is limited to my hand. I once saw a payoff error so egregious I had to suspect the dealer and player were in collusion. However, I remained quiet.

    I'm not even sure if that's a totally consistent position. But, at some level I feel each person gets to play their own hand, and it is also up to each person to decide how to handle dealer errors.

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    [QUOTE=CanadaKevinB;221775][QUOTE=terry0222;221764]I said I was done with this thread. But I guess I lied about that. quote from terry!

    Hmmmm!! I guess your moral compass doesn't work all the time. Lol [quote from Kevin ]

    Regrettably, it doesn't always work. But I think it's worthwhile to continually evaluate ourselves.

    I said earlier I'm older than dirt. I figure when I'm IN the dirt I can stop the process of self-evaluation. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry0222 View Post
    Not sure if I agree with your statement that a store and a casino are conceptually different. But, I'll think about that one.

    As I said in an earlier post, I DO keep my mouth shut when the type of error your describe impacts others at the table. If the error rewards others in addition to myself, I remain quiet. Likewise, if I see that another player receives a payment in error e.g., a payoff when it was a push, I also keep quiet. I only correct the dealer when the payoff error is limited to my hand. I once saw a payoff error so egregious I had to suspect the dealer and player were in collusion. However, I remained quiet.

    I'm not even sure if that's a totally consistent position. But, at some level I feel each person gets to play their own hand, and it is also up to each person to decide how to handle dealer errors.
    Terry. I bet you are a helluva good guy. But i disagree with you on this point for a couple of reasons. 1.) There is no two ways about it, this is a competition at the highest level. 2.) Your opponent can quit at anytime, for any reason. Therefore, we already have an unbalanced playing field.

    You've been around a long time which is an accomplishment in itself. But tell me one other occupation or endeavor in your lifetime where you get fired for winning or success. They offered the game. I chose to play. The casino is their Circus and the dealers are their monkeys. NOT MINE.

    Next time you get overpaid, go buy yourself a nice dinner. I think you've earned the right.
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    Don't worry about it Terry. You have strong morals and that is an admirable trait. If you played as a pro with no other source of income I bet things would get less black and white over time. I sometimes point out dealer errors but that is if the Floor is hawking so i can get honesty points in his mind. I figure there are high odds that he will notice the mistake and fix it anyway. Here's one those with blurrier moral lines might try. when the dealer asks for the money back when he pays you on a loss just give the payment back without the bet. almost half the time it will work. A portion of that time you can tell the dealer knows he should get back twice as much but figures both the dealer and player will benefit by not pressing the issue.

    It is my experience that casino rarely call to get it back if the dealers don't catch it. I have had dealers that were screwing up on procedures the entire shift. Like when you surrender they take half your bet from the circle and give t back to you and leave the other half in the circle. Of course when you go back they have figured out the issue and fixed the dealer but even though you got thousands in dealer errors and they mist know it, they don't ask for it back. The dealer didn't get fired. It isn't like a slot machine were a malfunction voids your play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    Don't worry about it Terry. You have strong morals and that is an admirable trait. If you played as a pro with no other source of income I bet things would get less black and white over time. I sometimes point out dealer errors but that is if the Floor is hawking so i can get honesty points in his mind. I figure there are high odds that he will notice the mistake and fix it anyway. Here's one those with blurrier moral lines might try. when the dealer asks for the money back when he pays you on a loss just give the payment back without the bet. almost half the time it will work. A portion of that time you can tell the dealer knows he should get back twice as much but figures both the dealer and player will benefit by not pressing the issue.

    It is my experience that casino rarely call to get it back if the dealers don't catch it. I have had dealers that were screwing up on procedures the entire shift. Like when you surrender they take half your bet from the circle and give t back to you and leave the other half in the circle. Of course when you go back they have figured out the issue and fixed the dealer but even though you got thousands in dealer errors and they mist know it, they don't ask for it back. The dealer didn't get fired. It isn't like a slot machine were a malfunction voids your play.

    There will never be enough dealer errors to offset the number of times the casinos cheated me or stopped my play. AP play is not conducive to a friendly environment. All seasoned players KNOW this fact and whether or not they are willing to admit it, is another story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    There will never be enough dealer errors to offset the number of times the casinos cheated me or stopped my play. AP play is not conducive to a friendly environment. All seasoned players KNOW this fact and whether or not they are willing to admit it, is another story.
    Friendly might not be a good word for the environment. Polite is probably better. Until the axe falls things should be at least polite and professional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    Friendly might not be a good word for the environment. Polite is probably better. Until the axe falls things should be at least polite and professional.
    Or even after the ax falls. I've seen alot of things in a casino but not many dealer errors. High morals is always important if you are in the "what goes around comes around" camp. But the constant battle is with numbers in your head vs the tweety birds about to circle it.

    One time i was standing at the urinal and notice a $50 ticket. As i walked out, i noticed an old gent frantically searching through his pockets. I ask him if lost something. He looked at me a little weird, then said he drop a ticket. I ask him how much and he said a little over $50. I handed him the ticket for $50.83. It kinda whizzed me off because he looked at me like i stole it. I told him where he'd placed it.
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    A lot of pros would sooner drop dead rather then bring a mistake(player benefit) to the attention of the dealer. Usually the pros have seen a lot of shit go down, a lot of bullshit from the casinos. The environment in the casino is all laugh and giggles, until some player starts winning big, then watch the face of management!! When you have been kicked in the face enough by the casino, you tend to not want to polish their shoes. You should see how casino management reacts when some poor player actually wins one day out of five, it's like he has committed a crime. Management is like a turkey with it head chopped off, telling the dealer to change their shuffle, deal slower, cut more off, change the dealer, new cards, wtf is going on, we are the casino, don't you know!!!!


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    I can see were slash and burn players would have a totally different outlook on casinos based on their experience when compared to longevity players. I tend to consider myself pushing the envelope of the latter.
    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaKevinB View Post
    Management is like a turkey with it head chopped off, telling the dealer to change their shuffle, deal slower, cut more off, change the dealer, new cards, wtf is going on, we are the casino, don't you know!!!!
    Believe me I have seen all of the above. I have had 6 dealer changes in one shoe. Dealers that only deal one hand before being tapped out. I even had them screw the timing up and had a dealer not even deal a hand or burn a card because someone bought in for more chips.

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