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    Lossin never ending period

    good evening fellow counters.
    I face a really big problem in which i havent found the reason just yet and i would like someone to help me if he can.
    i have been gambling lets say professionaly now for 2.5 years. What i mean by that. i use USTON APC + ace side count, wong in usually 4-8 tc.
    i have calculated indexes and everything using cvcx and cv data both amazing programs .!!!!! BUT since christmass everything is getting terrible.
    so wih a usual 1000 pounds buy in money and wong in at 4-8 i was supposed to make with my strategy about 60 every hour. (maximum bet 2x80) depending the available spots on the table.
    But every F@!#23 time i wong in besides i get terrible hands i never win a thing. this is getting rediculous i mean with like running +45 and 1.5 deck left and i cant get a single 20 ONCE.
    3 days now i am down about 16 hundret and i would like to ask what would a good lossing goal would be for you guys and also what do you thing its wrong with my game.? is it only just a phase or something ? because psychologically i am getting more tired every day with this happening.

    Thank you in advance for your Help.

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    I'll start. Why are you waiting so long to Wong in?

    Other than that, without more details, it's probably variance. It sucks. Have a strong stomach.

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    What percentage if hands are you playing per hour between true 4 & 8.
    Without going into details, that could well be part of your problem. From your description, you're buying in for to much, (not make g comments about your unknown trip roll) playing only those TC's which justify max to super max bets. You're either p,aye g very few hands, or your deck conversion is off.

    That being said, it can be brutal sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinTheGreek View Post
    good evening fellow counters.
    I face a really big problem in which i havent found the reason just yet and i would like someone to help me if he can.
    i have been gambling lets say professionaly now for 2.5 years. What i mean by that. i use USTON APC + ace side count, wong in usually 4-8 tc.
    i have calculated indexes and everything using cvcx and cv data both amazing programs .!!!!! BUT since christmass everything is getting terrible.
    so wih a usual 1000 pounds buy in money and wong in at 4-8 i was supposed to make with my strategy about 60 every hour. (maximum bet 2x80) depending the available spots on the table.
    But every F@!#23 time i wong in besides i get terrible hands i never win a thing. this is getting rediculous i mean with like running +45 and 1.5 deck left and i cant get a single 20 ONCE.
    3 days now i am down about 16 hundret and i would like to ask what would a good lossing goal would be for you guys and also what do you thing its wrong with my game.? is it only just a phase or something ? because psychologically i am getting more tired every day with this happening.

    Thank you in advance for your Help.
    Is the game hand shuffled or using ASM? If it is the latter I will recommend you switch to another counting system like Zen then side count 7/8/9 or 8/9. In this case, ace is no longer important, or less so than mid cards. I found out if casinos using ASM clumping to stop counters, then when face card are rich, so are mid cards (7/8/9). So your 20/21 hand are replaced by 14/15/16/17/18/19/20/21. Have your max bet out only if TC is high and relative mid card count is negative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    Is the game hand shuffled or using ASM? If it is the latter I will recommend you switch to another counting system like Zen then side count 7/8/9 or 8/9. In this case, ace is no longer important, or less so than mid cards. I found out if casinos using ASM clumping to stop counters, then when face card are rich, so are mid cards (7/8/9). So your 20/21 hand are replaced by 14/15/16/17/18/19/20/21. Have your max bet out only if TC is high and relative mid card count is negative.
    this is going to delight Norm. Another thread on ASM's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    this is going to delight Norm. Another thread on ASM's.
    More likely to get him bounced.

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    Sounds like you have mental game issues. Anyway losing 20 bets is really not that uncommon especially playing two hands at the same time. Blackjack is a pretty wild ride. Because your edge is so thin long losing streaks are not uncommon. It is important to be able to handle the variance intelligently and acknowledge your emotions so that they cannot control your play. If anger and frustration build up unchecked then you will go on tilt which can be detrimental to your bankroll.
    Last edited by Meistro123; 05-11-2017 at 06:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meistro123 View Post
    Sounds like you have mental game issues. Anyway losing 20 bets is really not that uncommon especially playing two hands at the same time. Blackjack is a pretty wild ride. Because your edge is so thin long losing streaks are not uncommon. It is important to be able to handle the variance intelligently and acknowledge your emotions so that they cannot control your play. If anger and frustration build up unchecked then you will go on tilt which can be detrimental to your bankroll.
    +10000.

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    Lossin never ending period

    You can go a year of full time counting and still be down. 3 days of losing is just a hiccup, and I never have a losing goal, only a winning goal, but not a stop limit of winning.
    Last edited by pilotzone; 05-16-2017 at 07:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    "Is the game hand shuffled or using ASM? If it is the latter I will recommend you switch to another counting system like Zen then side count 7/8/9 or 8/9. In this case, ace is no longer important, or less so than mid cards. I found out if casinos using ASM clumping to stop counters, then when face card are rich, so are mid cards (7/8/9). So your 20/21 hand are replaced by 14/15/16/17/18/19/20/21. Have your max bet out only if TC is high and relative mid card count is negative."
    The above is largely absurd gibberish. Ignore it.

    You are playing VERY few hands by wonging-in at TC +4 (with UAPC)

    Therefore your sample size is completely insignificant.

    Downswings are very very very common.

    Try to keep the "Law of Large Numbers" in mind.


    The law of large numbers is a principle of probability
    according to which the frequencies of events with the
    same likelihood of occurrence even out, given enough
    trials or instances. As the number of experiments
    increases, the actual ratio of outcomes will converge on
    the theoretical, or expected, ratio of outcomes.


    Where are you playing ? What are the rules and level of penetration ?

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    Talking about loss and want to quit. I have many times want to stop going to casinos even though my BR is 3x larger from start (from 7K to 25K). Do anyone had stopped "cool turkey" for at least 6 months please share your experience how you done that. It is not money win/loss but it takes a lot of time away from other interests. Some time I think it is a form of addiction. Thanks
    P.S I should start a thread about how to quit casino

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    exactly ! the law of LARGE numbers. remember the word "large".

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    Large Numbers certainly do correlate very well to your pathetic few hundreds
    of hours yearly that you spend in a casino.
    They do not dictate what will happen to your money in the coming year(s)

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