Why should players have to trust and assume they are getting an honest game.

[BoSox]

For decades I was always used to seeing new cards introduced to a table by the dealer checking and examining all the cards for any flaws or mistakes. Cards were taken out of boxes, all in numerical order and spread out on the table, for open observation by anyone that was interested. By always doing this procedure, I considered it as a important form of integrity that not only gave some legitimacy to offering a straight and fair game, but also showed respect to the player, by not leaving any room at all for doubt. Just knowing the procedure was done in the open was more than enough trust for myself, regardless, if I saw the process or not.


Now all kind of shortcuts are taking place, to save time and money! One place I frequent introduces both six, and eight deck new cards from large boxes that have supposedly already been checked and washed in a back room by god knows who or whom did the work. At another casino I play the casino now goes longer periods of time before introducing new cards. They open new tables with boxes of already used cards from the previous days use, that are already mixed, and stored somewhere. The dealer will count out all the cards, to make sure the numbers are correct, but not the makeup of the cards.


I am not accusing casinos of any improprieties, but I have a serious problem with how little respect casinos have for their patrons, for lack of proving they give an honest game!

[Freightman]

Bosox
Good Hing I checked my spelling. Almost sent addressed to Bosom. In any event, you're absolutely right. Because with all their procedures and checks by employees who don't give a shit, it will simp,y be a "sorry bout that" when there is a problem.

There is a store that I play at where they ask you to step away from the table as the critter checks. After refusing, critter says checking is his job and not mine. "Why should I trust you" I said. They relented. Another little honeypot of mine changed their procedures after I commented that they need to project an honest game.

If you don't say anything, they won't do anything.

[Three]

Now all kind of shortcuts are taking place, to save time and money! One place I frequent introduces both six, and eight deck new cards from large boxes that have supposedly already been checked and washed in a back room by god knows who or whom did the work.

Tese cards are boxed at the factory not in a backroom. They should have to "unseal" the pack in front of you.

They open new tables with boxes of already used cards from the previous days use, that are already mixed, and stored somewhere. The dealer will count out all the cards, to make sure the numbers are correct, but not the makeup of the cards.

There is no reason someone or the shuffle machine (if one is used at this casino) couldn't put the cards back in order for confirmation the next day. I would talk to someone about it. Tact is a must in these conversations. Talk about trust issues and appearances and leaving no doubt that the game is fair and legal. After all anything can happen when nobody is looking.

[BoSox]

Tese cards are boxed at the factory not in a backroom. They should have to "unseal" the pack in front of you.

Tthree, that very well may be the case, however, since the factory already mixes, and washes the cards, WHY should we have to trust them? One process has been eliminated that brings questions where there should not be any.

[Freightman]

Tthree, that very well may be the case, however, since the factory already mixes, and washes the cards, WHY should we have to trust them? One process has been eliminated that brings questions where there should not be any.

Regardlessif any arguments to the contrary, Bosox is right.

[Three]

Tthree, that very well may be the case, however, since the factory already mixes, and washes the cards, WHY should we have to trust them?

Because the card makers have nothing to gain and everything to lose if they rig the cards they send.

[Norm]

Nearly all the brands of playing cards, including casino cards, have been consolidated into the U.S. Playing Card Co. This is a 150 year old company. It is owned by Newell Brands, a 114 year old company that makes an enormous number of products, from Krazy Glue, to Parker Pens, to Mr. Coffee. They have a revenue of over $13 billion a year and are NYSE listed, as well as being a component of the S&P500. If packaged casino cards were rigged, it would be trivial for someone to determine this. For such an enormous company to take such a risk over the piddling amount of income from casino cards would be staggeringly stupid. That’s not to say there are no staggeringly stupid people in industry. But, the odds of anything like this being awry without any evidence is mighty slim.

As to Bosox’s question of why should we trust them, he has a point. But, this reduces casino costs and speeds the game. So, there is a tradeoff.

[refinery]

Because the card makers have nothing to gain and everything to lose if they rig the cards they send.

Isn't the point that mistakes are made? There was an NJ case where a pre-shuffled Gempak wasn't shuffled.

http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf...be_return.html
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...ard_manuf.html

[Norm]

Mistakes are always made.

As an example of how little a few extra dollars would make to the maker of casino cards, their market cap (the value of the company's shares) went up over $2 billion since this morning.