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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    The laws of numbers are way off course with this guy. But im not sure what to do about it or how to proceed.
    I don't think you understand what the law of large numbers means. I doubt you have enough play with this guy to bring the law of large numbers into play.

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    For instance, a negative rc of 8 late in the deck. He has an Ace up. I have two 10s. I decline insurance and he asks if i m sure? Is it just me?
    Sounds like he is trying to tip you off as to when to take insurance so you can tip him. I love dealers like that.
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    Coincidentally, these are hand shuffles. So, in my case, a machine shuffle appears to be more of an advantage.
    Mechanics usually don't rig shuffles. They don't deliver the cards the shuffle would have them deliver if those cards are not what he wants.

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    I noticed he always seemed to fumble the first card after a shuffle. It would land about halfway. Like it slipped out of his fingers. When it happens which is often, i never get a 10 or Ace and his up is always a ten or Ace. Granted, there are not too many mechanics left. But then, there are even fewer places for them to employ their services nowadays. The common trend is they all seem to have nicely manicured finger nails and no jewelry on any of their fingers.

    It would be interesting to chat with a mechanic.
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    OK. First, this is not all about ASM clumping, but a story most about bet spread and cover. I just feel sometimes I need to reward people who browse the yellow forum.



    As some people who read my posts already know I stopped bleeding and now can win against ASM using new strategy after two years in red in some casinos. However, on this particular day, after seven hour long session, I ended in red (slightly). This is why and how it happened.

    It was a busy night. I scanned all the tables in search of the best one. Immediately I was drawn to a young guy with piles of blacks and purples in front of him. He must have 6K or 7K of chips. A whale at $25 table. In my experience, I can get away with higher spread with someone like him sitting by my side. I quickly took a seat.

    Then after 10 minutes, I found out the whale is actually an AP. Then after 30 minutes, I decoded his betting ramp pattern. Based on the unmodified TC, this is his bet ramp:

    TC 0 or negative: $25 or $505 ($505 occasionally)
    TC 1: $25/$505 ($505 at least half of the times. He always put a red chip on top of them to hide the actually bet.)
    TC 2: $25/$505/$1005 (high bets at least half of the times)
    TC 3: $25/$505/$1005/$1505
    TC 4: $25/$505/$1005/$1505/$2005

    Was his cover working? He did fool me for 10 minutes. But not for long. I also think he doesn't fool the casino, either. The ASM clumping was set at the "extreme" level. Normally even ASM is clumping, I had 50% of normal shoes and 50% of clumped shoes so I have some breathing room. But that night, in the seven hour long session, my modified TC only reached +4 one time (actually RC reaches +35 (level 1) or +70 (level 2) for that shoe). For all other shoes since I sat down, it only reached +2 two times. So the setting is increased to 99% instead of regular 50% or 0%. By the way, I was told by ploppies that he had $2000 buy in. After two hours, he tripled his money or more. It is clear to me, someone flip the switch on beast mode after he was identified as an extremely dangerous AP.

    His playing style is "no bust" against high card when he had 14, 15, 16 so he did not fall into ASM max bet trap. Nonetheless, he slowly lost his chips. On the seventh hour of my playing (his ninth hour), I saw he only had $2,000 left. I had seen enough and left the table. And the casino successfully had their money back.

    Someone might ask why I stayed for so long. Because it is a rare opportunity to study clumping ASM at extreme setting. I see his bet size is based on the standard level 2 TC and mine is based on the modified TC after factoring in mid card count. While he thought the TC is +5, +6, or as high as double digits, I saw the modified TC is only +2 or +1 except the monster shoe, both of us had the max bet out.
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    https://www.google.com/patents/US6250632

    This is ASM schematics. There are four engines on the third figure: function 130 for random shuffling, fuction 132a for sorting the shoe to the original form, function 132b for sorting shoe for Poker usage, function 132c for sorting shoe to user defined sequence, which opens to all possibilities.

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    Problem is James Albrecht's invention is not what shuffle master uses. It saw that this would not get through gaming control and had it's own invention by Ernst Blaha and Peter Krenn. I didn't read through all the stuff about the machines actually used in casinos but I doubt that Shuffle Master left itself open to ruin by selling a cheating device to casinos.

    https://www.google.com/patents/US6889979

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    Problem is James Albrecht's invention is not what shuffle master uses. It saw that this would not get through gaming control and had it's own invention by Ernst Blaha and Peter Krenn. I didn't read through all the stuff about the machines actually used in casinos but I doubt that Shuffle Master left itself open to ruin by selling a cheating device to casinos.

    https://www.google.com/patents/US6889979
    You really get a sense of just how far this conspiracy goes if you look at the citations.

    https://www.google.com/patents/US793489

    This cheating has been happening in one form or another for a very long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    It benefits ploppies that stand all the time and hurts AP' index play. The extra mid cards bust players' hands when they supposedly play right using Basic Strategy or index play. Also the extra mid cards makes hands like 14/15/16 vs 7/8/9/T appear more often. That is the secret of ASM manipulation.
    So, you're asserting a casino does something to BENEFIT a ploppy?


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    Quote Originally Posted by RCJH View Post
    So, you're asserting a casino does something to BENEFIT a ploppy?


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    Most ploppies make other mistakes. Actually most ploppies make a lot of other mistakes, so even if they do this one thing right, it won't save them from losing money. But I do see some rare ploppies who are disciplined with consistence. Then these ploppies outperform AP and BS players at clumping ASM tables.

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    Lot of statistics bantered around like they are facts! Words like "probably and about and players get lucky and the AP population is" scare me since I have no way of confirming any of that.

    If you think you have an illegal casino, then do the work to make the case and stop projecting bull shit.

    Facts, show me the facts.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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