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    DAMN Henry, Gabe, & Don. I am among giants. First, let me say my last post was not just idle curiosity. Henry has always been the gold standard for blackjack advice.
    I thought in ENHC a player would lose all bets, splits, doubles, to a dealer BJ. So I did a google search and sure enough there was an intelligent article, by a real expert. http://www.smartgaming.com/html/arti...%20in%20BJ.htm

    Seems this is a hybrid with a higher house edge than US no hole card, but less than ENHC. Will see If I can get mike to post something on Wizard of Odds. Low limit players given a choice between 6/5 $5 Stadium Blackjack and $15 real table game, well Stadium will be the game of choice. And if both are 3/2, a no brainer.
    At 3/2 SHFL has a real winner.
    HENRY : I was the original blogger on splitting 8's in Stadium Blackjack. Hard to believe how much more comprehensive and easier to understand your article was.
    If I had your talent, I would have posted an article on Linkedin about Stadium Blackjack and whether it was another Poker Tek story. Might do it anyway and wait to catch hell from my prior editor, one Roger Snow. Talk about a blistering criticism. Ha Ha

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    "Will see If I can get mike to post something on Wizard of Odds."

    This game is BB+1.

    https://wizardofodds.com/games/australian-blackjack/

    Don

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    The full rules for the Sydney trial are 6 deck CSM, BJ pays 3:2, S17, BB+1, D9-11, DAS, SPL1 inc. Aces, No Surrender. Betting ranges from $5 - $1,100, no back betting is permitted and the betting clock is set to 15 seconds once the first player hits the rebet button.

    Gabe - one issue with this game is that in most cases, but not all, the console jams whenever the dealer has an Ace up. Since the program is set to hit if the player does not make a decision in time the player ends up losing since he/she has lost control. The insurance decision box operated normally but once that selection was made the screen grayed out. The same problem occurred on multiple consoles so that obviously led to complaints. Two weeks later the problem appeared to be fixed...seems like it was a bug or an electrical wiring problem?

    Don - I suggest in addition to hitting 8,8 vs A under the BB+1 rule for Australian BJ a player should also split 8,8 vs 10 and then stand on 15 or more or 16 or more for Pontoon. The reason is if the dealer turns over BJ then only one bet is lost.
    Casino Enemy No.1

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    "Don - I suggest in addition to hitting 8,8 vs A under the BB+1 rule for Australian BJ a player should also split 8,8 vs 10 and then stand on 15 or more or 16 or more for Pontoon. The reason is if the dealer turns over BJ then only one bet is lost."

    That's very interesting and didn't occur to me. I understand the logic.

    Don

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    irst let me say I hope Stadium Blackjack succeeds, even at 6/5. For a low limit bettor, it is still a bargain. Would prefer a real table game, even 6/5 , a casino atmosphere, a friendly table and dealer, a hottie bringing you a drink upon request, all for less than a 2% House edge. Providing you play basic strategy and the idiot on third base stops taking the dealer's break card. The Sands Bethlehem table games manager is aiming for a relaxed atmosphere with 30-40 seconds between betting events. Marketing think Fusion can attract 25-35 year old players from New Jersey and New York. Maybe to split 5 $1 bets on Roulette ?
    Now to my questions :
    Once a player hits rebet, can he cancel, raise or lower his bet if he chooses to, before the timer expires?
    The following question have a big concern that I do not care to disclose at this time.
    Are the timers factory set or are they adjustable by casino management ? Or just a range of optional settings ?
    Now, here are the tricky questions. Assume for all questions only 4 players a b c & d. All have $100 in credits , are betting $10 a hand, Just won previous hand.
    A/B/C/D all hit rebet within 2 seconds. Does this affect the time until the first card of a new hand is dealt ?
    A/B/C only hit rebet within 2 seconds. D is on his cell phone oblivious to everything. How long until 1st card of a new hand is dealt.
    What is the recommended timer setting for time between hands and also time to act upon a hand ?

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    WTF...6/5 is not blackjack. Why are you promoting a game with such a terrible house advantage. Most of the readers of this site are only interested in games that have a player advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zach Black View Post
    WTF...6/5 is not blackjack. Why are you promoting a game with such a terrible house advantage. Most of the readers of this site are only interested in games that have a player advantage.
    Hi Zach, How's that boycott working out for you ?
    https://lasvegassun.com/news/2003/no...er-tilt-advan/
    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but casino's are a business, have a responsibility to share holders and employees. Not a charity for advantage players!
    That terrible house advantage you speak of is less than 2%. Shouldn't you be picketing the slot machines ? Oh, that's right, I forgot you are an advantage player. Hopefully one who will acknowledge that you also take advantage of the "ploppies" you despise.
    Yes, when I play through the negative shoe, and you plop down and spread to several hands when the cards turn positive, you do know you are taking advantage of me ? No ill feelings towards you, just stating a fact.
    There are low limit player reading this forum as well, and not necessarily the minority. Perhaps you have some imperial data to back up your opinion ?
    Now , lets examine why 6/5 BJ has full tables and 20% hold. As a low limit expert, let's talk about your average "BOB". Hate the term "PLOPPY"and seems every time
    I ask another BJ player his name, it's BOB.
    BOB had $100 as his buy in. You want him to play that $15 or $25 3/2 game. Well, you kno0w $25 is ridiculous, so let's look at $15. A bankroll less that 7 times his minimum unit. Yeah, like that will work!
    Now lets look at $5 6/5 BJ. Bob finds a 7 player table. Bob will bet 50 hands per hour. If BOB plays basic strategy, his expected loss is 10 cent per hand. $5 per hour. If BOB is average BJ player add 0.75%. Oh hell, add another 1% . WOW, Bob now looking at a loss of $7.50 per hour. Or $15 per 2 hours. Gee, wonder why BOB isn't playing that $15 a hand BJ ?
    And that evil casino? Taking advantage of all the BOB's with 6/5 BJ. They can be making $35 to $50 an hour with a FULL table of BOBs. After paying the dealer, pit boss, security, count team, air conditioning, mortgage , taxes, etc, it boggles the mind to think of the profits.
    Zach, I have never told you how to spend your money. I would take it as a personal favor if you and the other AP's would stop telling me how to spend mine.
    Last edited by buzzard; 06-19-2017 at 10:26 AM.

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    Simple question: if you play $5 a hand, with a 2% disadvantage, or $15 a hand with a 0.5% disadvantage, which one makes more sense over the long run?

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by buzzard View Post
    Now to my questions :
    Once a player hits rebet, can he cancel, raise or lower his bet if he chooses to, before the timer expires?
    The following question have a big concern that I do not care to disclose at this time.
    Are the timers factory set or are they adjustable by casino management ? Or just a range of optional settings ?
    Now, here are the tricky questions. Assume for all questions only 4 players a b c & d. All have $100 in credits , are betting $10 a hand, Just won previous hand.
    A/B/C/D all hit rebet within 2 seconds. Does this affect the time until the first card of a new hand is dealt ?
    A/B/C only hit rebet within 2 seconds. D is on his cell phone oblivious to everything. How long until 1st card of a new hand is dealt.
    What is the recommended timer setting for time between hands and also time to act upon a hand ?
    The betting clock is configurable at the casino's desire to allow however many seconds they wish to offer for betting. It is not infinite but the range is enough to cover anything reasonable.

    Any player who touches rebet can still add, remove, or change the wagers placed until the betting clock reaches zero. At that point, the bets are locked and any wager that doesn't meet the minimum limit configured has that wager returned to their credit meter.

    For your examples, the answers remain- the dealer begins a new betting window by touching "New Game" on their terminal and all players have the allowed amount of time to do whatever they wish. Nothing the players do affects that timer.

    Finally, there is no "timer between hands". From the end of a game until a new game is started is driven by the dealer's actions in closing out the result and then opening wagering. During play, currently all casinos are allowing 10 seconds per action to make decisions during a hand.

    Best,

    Gabe

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Simple question: if you play $5 a hand, with a 2% disadvantage, or $15 a hand with a 0.5% disadvantage, which one makes more sense over the long run?

    Don
    Not so simple answer :
    The $15 games I find are 6 deck, h17. 00.638 HE. The same 6/5 game is 1.998 HE. Seems to me the added loss on the 6/5 game is less than 1/2 cents a hand ?
    In the long run, umpteen billions of hands that's a lot of money. But last poll I saw over 70% of casino patrons view gambling as entertainment. I know I am playing a negative expectation game. I also know I can get whacked out quickly at $15 a hand.
    I will settle for the safer route, have a friendly game, flirt with a female dealer or cocktail waitress, tip too much and have a good time.
    But then I am not an AP player and this is not my livelihood.
    Evidently the majority of low limit players think the same ???
    I mean those 6/5 BJ tables are everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buzzard View Post
    Not so simple answer :
    The $15 games I find are 6 deck, h17. 00.638 HE. The same 6/5 game is 1.998 HE. Seems to me the added loss on the 6/5 game is less than 1/2 cents a hand ?
    In the long run, umpteen billions of hands that's a lot of money. But last poll I saw over 70% of casino patrons view gambling as entertainment. I know I am playing a negative expectation game. I also know I can get whacked out quickly at $15 a hand.
    I will settle for the safer route, have a friendly game, flirt with a female dealer or cocktail waitress, tip too much and have a good time.
    But then I am not an AP player and this is not my livelihood.
    Evidently the majority of low limit players think the same ???
    I mean those 6/5 BJ tables are everywhere.
    This is something I've always wondered and now I think I've found someone who can answer. How can you continue playing like you are even after having the AP world revealed to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buzzard View Post
    Hi Zach, How's that boycott working out for you ?
    https://lasvegassun.com/news/2003/no...er-tilt-advan/
    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but casino's are a business, have a responsibility to share holders and employees. Not a charity for advantage players!
    That terrible house advantage you speak of is less than 2%. Shouldn't you be picketing the slot machines ? Oh, that's right, I forgot you are an advantage player. Hopefully one who will acknowledge that you also take advantage of the "ploppies" you despise.
    Yes, when I play through the negative shoe, and you plop down and spread to several hands when the cards turn positive, you do know you are taking advantage of me ? No ill feelings towards you, just stating a fact.
    There are low limit player reading this forum as well, and not necessarily the minority. Perhaps you have some imperial data to back up your opinion ?
    Now , lets examine why 6/5 BJ has full tables and 20% hold. As a low limit expert, let's talk about your average "BOB". Hate the term "PLOPPY"and seems every time
    I ask another BJ player his name, it's BOB.
    BOB had $100 as his buy in. You want him to play that $15 or $25 3/2 game. Well, you kno0w $25 is ridiculous, so let's look at $15. A bankroll less that 7 times his minimum unit. Yeah, like that will work!
    Now lets look at $5 6/5 BJ. Bob finds a 7 player table. Bob will bet 50 hands per hour. If BOB plays basic strategy, his expected loss is 10 cent per hand. $5 per hour. If BOB is average BJ player add 0.75%. Oh hell, add another 1% . WOW, Bob now looking at a loss of $7.50 per hour. Or $15 per 2 hours. Gee, wonder why BOB isn't playing that $15 a hand BJ ?
    And that evil casino? Taking advantage of all the BOB's with 6/5 BJ. They can be making $35 to $50 an hour with a FULL table of BOBs. After paying the dealer, pit boss, security, count team, air conditioning, mortgage , taxes, etc, it boggles the mind to think of the profits.
    Zach, I have never told you how to spend your money. I would take it as a personal favor if you and the other AP's would stop telling me how to spend mine.

    If Bob would refuse to play crapjack 6/5 games, maybe the good games would return.

    I don't despise Bob's and am thankful they have money to burn. Bob doesn't know basic strategy. This allows the smart casinos to offer good games and still have a reasonable edge.

    I avoid games with other players as it slows the game to a snail's pace. I have more problems with Bob joining my game when the shoe is rich and I have large win in front of me.

    I didn't tell you what to do. I pointed out it was a poor game for the player and hope the game dies quickly.

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    Nothing was revealed to me that I already did not know. I was 22 when Beat the Dealer was published. And remember the rule changes Vegas first enacted in response to " Beat the Dealer " The new rules forbade players to re-split aces into separate hands, and imposed a new limit restricting the "double-down" bet only to hands totaling 11. After a few weeks on empty tables, they reverted to the original rules, but dealt 4 decks from a shoe. The prior year John Scarne had tried to make it mandatory that all BJ games be dealt from a shoe. To combat cheating.
    I know the house edge and I know my bankroll. I also know the HE is still less than 2%. AP's remind me of the horse players back before exotic bets that complained about the 14% take on WPS bets. If only the track would lower the take to 10% and see the handle soar ? Those same punters now face a 23-30% take on exotic bets and bet more on them than WPS. And the AP's who say if only the casino's would stop barring counters, more people would play, and the casino's would make more money.
    Hey it's 6/5 $5 BJ and I know no self respecting AP would sit there unless he was drunk or hitting on a hottie in the next seat ! Like I said before, I don't tell you how to spend your money. So PLEASE stop telling me how to spend mine. I know you need more BOB's at the $15 and $25 BJ 3/2 games. So you can WONG in and take advantage of the house and the BOB's.

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