In my travels iv cashed out at many casinos with many policies for many large and small amounts and it is always my policy to refuse I'd at the cage. Last week I encountered a scenario that caught me off guard and I was quite surprised as to the outcome.
While on vacation I had aquired 8k in chips at a casino, I elected to cash out 3 and save the rest for later. I tried the strategy of providing my I'd first only to the cashier and offering for her to check my age while I fumbled In the pocket for my chips. The cashier just looked at the I'd as expected without copping it or recording other information. After I presented 3k in chips they then wanted my I'd again (what a surprise) where after I was easily able to refuse the I'd and have them cash the chips. So short story, if you have a lot of chips to cash, providing the I'd first and then surprising the cashier with a boat load of chips is a viable strategy, one I havnt tried in the past.
Later that night I was drunk and counting a pitch game in a dumpy casino, I got backed off went to the cage and cashed out, but I realised that this casino was affiliated with and connected to the other casino where I still had 5k in chips. Knowing they would likely desire my I'd for reasons of being an advantage player, I aggressively decided to immediately cash the remaining 5k In chips since the same cashier was working the window.
I approached this same cashier who had already confirmed my age, and her superior, knowing I was of age, still refused the redemption of the chips! I was forced then to contact the regulatory body who spoke with me on the phone, and then to the casino manager.
The agent called me back and explained that the casino needed the information to file a ctr and that because they wanted to file a ctr that the casino was entitled to the ID!
It was at this point that I had to explain in extreme detail the falacy of this idea to the agent. I had to outright call the agent a liar and tell her it was her job to investigate the dispute, not make up summarys of laws that she never read, I told her that the law she was referencing was codified under section 1021 of title 31 and that she was wrong and needed to go actually read it instead of making things up.
Then she came back at me and said it was because I made two transactions and that was why they needed the id. Again I knew to what section she was making refference to and I had to go into such detail as to explain that those types of filings are discretionary, not mandatory and that the casino has the option to file them and that doesn't give them a right to my I'd just because they want to file one.
I was then handed off to another agent who seemed as if he had more intricate knowledge of the subject matter. We spoke briefly and then he began questioning me in such a way as to get me to admit to him that I was structuring transactions, he then accused me of structuring anyways and I had point out to him that the crime of structuring was impossible because the total a great was only 8000. He agreed and began to plead with me to provide my I'd to him if he came down while telling me that the agency supported the casinos filing SARS.
At some point, the casino just elected to cash my chips. But I am telling this story here to illustrate how crazy it can get if you elect to refuse ID, and what you mi th t expect if you want to push the issue. I realise that without specific and intricate prior knowledge from study of a applicable law and the ability to quote it directly on the fly, I may very well have been refused the cashout.
Refusing I'd is a tricky thing to do and it might not go as smooth as you expect.
For starters make sure at a mjnimum, you have the phone number of the regulatory agency the that oversees the casinos of the place you are playing before you try it.
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Originally Posted by ACFERRET
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