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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryemo View Post
    I've been counter-measured and backed off from further play (for refusing to show ID) from Ameristar (St Louis & KC) more times than I care to count. I imagine if they were "card clumping" or cheating in any form, they probably would have just allowed me to play unmolested.
    Maybe this casino has integrity like Honda or Toyota, unlike Volkswagen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryemo View Post
    I've been counter-measured and backed off from further play (for refusing to show ID) from Ameristar (St Louis & KC) more times than I care to count. I imagine if they were "card clumping" or cheating in any form, they probably would have just allowed me to play unmolested.

    Out of sheer coincidence though, I believe I'm a life-time loser at Ameristar St. Louis. Majority of my life-time losses though are the result of a couple sessions that went horribly "wrong." AKA: Extreme Negative Variance. But that obviously wouldn't deter me playing there anymore. I just don't anymore (or regularly anyway) because it only takes the pit (or EITS) a few min to identify me, so it just isn't worth the hassle most of the time.
    A few years ago, the Ameristar DD game in the HL room was very very popular and at times, they had 5-6 DD tables and 2 other 6 deck tables that were often full on weekends. They still have the great penn and great rules but I have not seen too many players playing there for some time. I can get heads up or with one other player at any time.

    I don't think they cheat all the time anymore but rarely do I see anyone win big anymore. I think they have some ability to switch to a pre- programmed shuffle whenever they feel the need to. I still win small amounts but have observed big losers on a reserved table or two. Hardly any big winners like in years past where players would be sitting with huge stacks of greens and Blacks in fron of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    A few years ago, the Ameristar DD game in the HL room was very very popular and at times, they had 5-6 DD tables and 2 other 6 deck tables that were often full on weekends. They still have the great penn and great rules but I have not seen too many players playing there for some time. I can get heads up or with one other player at any time.

    I don't think they cheat all the time anymore but rarely do I see anyone win big anymore. I think they have some ability to switch to a pre- programmed shuffle whenever they feel the need to. I still win small amounts but have observed big losers on a reserved table or two. Hardly any big winners like in years past where players would be sitting with huge stacks of greens and Blacks in fron of them.
    Same here in Pennsylvania. And the cutoff point is about two years ago. That makes some PA casinos are the pioneer of whatever gaming industry threw us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    A few years ago, the Ameristar DD game in the HL room was very very popular and at times, they had 5-6 DD tables and 2 other 6 deck tables that were often full on weekends. They still have the great penn and great rules but I have not seen too many players playing there for some time. I can get heads up or with one other player at any time.

    I don't think they cheat all the time anymore but rarely do I see anyone win big anymore. I think they have some ability to switch to a pre- programmed shuffle whenever they feel the need to. I still win small amounts but have observed big losers on a reserved table or two. Hardly any big winners like in years past where players would be sitting with huge stacks of greens and Blacks in fron of them.
    That's what I'm saying I can tell it started about a year ago. Whatever they did to the new shefflers makes clumping so bad there's hardly any players and you don't see winners. I was just asking cuz I've not been around United States much does all casinos went to the shufflers like Ameristar and the other casinos around here has. I spoke to a lot of dealers they said the same thing it's horrible back there people used to win and enjoy playing there no one wins and no one enjoys playing in the high-limit room anymore

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    Highly unlikely.
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    Even with perfect play heavy downswings are not uncommon; that is the nature of gambling with a razor thin edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meistro123 View Post
    Even with perfect play heavy downswings are not uncommon; that is the nature of gambling with a razor thin edge.
    so I guess this is natural with the shufflers everywhere. I just never seen nothing like it and it's probably me I guess thanks everyone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Highly unlikely.
    But is it possible? The ASM has the ability to sequence the cards but the function can be only used to find the missing cards. But not everyone is the law abiding citizen.

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    Well to the extent that these rigged-ASM conspiracy theories might have any possible validity, I would suspect that the only potential arena for such corrupt practices would be the Native American owned and operated casinos, where there is no state gambling commission oversight (for whatever good they are nowadays). Assuming such self-oversight, then indeed the fox would be guarding the hen house. Look out hens!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    But is it possible? The ASM has the ability to sequence the cards but the function can be only used to find the missing cards. But not everyone is the law abiding citizen.
    Whether it is possible is irrelevant - virtually anything is possible.

    This is an AP site, and we concern ourselves with probability. The probability that you are correct is very low, near zero in fact. The machines simply do not allow for the type of operation of which you speak.

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    why would clumping make ploppies lose more unless the high cards were constantly clumped behind the cut card? and if that happened there would be a disproportionate amount of high counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomf23 View Post
    why would clumping make ploppies lose more unless the high cards were constantly clumped behind the cut card? and if that happened there would be a disproportionate amount of high counts.
    The ASM would have to know where the player would cut the deck for this to work. Then this slug would be easily exploited by cutting not where most ploppys cut so as to place the slug in play. I don't see them doing this, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomf23 View Post
    why would clumping make ploppies lose more unless the high cards were constantly clumped behind the cut card? and if that happened there would be a disproportionate amount of high counts.
    The High accounts are all the time that's why I'm asking.

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