DD card cutting technique..

[Freightman]

I know lots of guys, though personally don't know of any in the forums. As nice as the 600 k SCORE is, it really only means something on liquidation, or as a guarantee in credit lines.

I'm sure there are lots if guys in the forums who have profited nicely in the stock market since Trump was elected. I know I have, but the increase in value is only paper till I liquidate. Interest, dividends etc. Are essentially where they were.

Slow and steady wins the race. I know lots if guys who made lots of (on paper) money by leveraging assets. All is great and wonderful when the markets or properties, whatever, are in the upswing. The shit hits the fan though when markets drop, and lots if promising futures go by the wayside. Caution, in all that you do. Risk is fine, as long as that risk us intelligent and well thought out. I've ignored many money gurus in my time. My relationships in financial matters tend to be very long term. I trust who I trust.

[Freightman]

But damn, I'm lucky to see 30 cards. Why do I need 5 side counts? Just remember the damn cards.

Sounds like 13 sidecounts.

[RS]

Yet another comment from the HiLo peanut gallery.

Do you know how many tens or aces remain remain? How about 7,8,9s? Of course you wouldn't because you don't know WTF you are doing? You are just gambling.

Of those 13 cards that remain, suppose 10 of them are a combo of 7,8, or 9; 1 is a 10; and 2 are a combo of 2,3,4,5,6. Do you seriously think you've found value at RC +1?

It doesn't matter what count I use (hint: it's not hilo). Why would it? This subject has very little, practically nothing, to do with card counting.

[Freightman]

Freighter. FTR. I will know how many Aces, tens, 89s, 67s, 24s and 5s remain. If I didn't or couldn't, I'd stay on the porch. If the cocktail waitress or dealer are hotties and they tell me their phone numbers, I will remember those two as well. But ask me where I parked if not in the same area? I'd have to think about that one. Maybe do a little extra walking.

Don't sell yourself short on Wong Halves. You will have placed a value on all but 4 (in worst case scenario) of the remaining cards. Therefore, it's likely your RC +1 will reflect a more accurate estimate of deck composition than HiLo RC +1.

Matter of curiosity. Single deck, heads up - what is your max hands per hour with a great dealer?

[nycpro]

call a trusted pro and you can split the money that can be made

I was playing a DD deck with one other player and the dealer was flashing the bottom card often. Unfortunately, the ploppy would not relinquish the cut card and let me cut. In any case, when I was cutting, and I cannot cut accurately enough to get the bottom card, if I saw a small card, I would rule it out and start my RC at +1 and if I saw a big card, keep it in play. A couple of times, I saw an Ace but I could not get it to myself. Dealer got a BJ once and dealer had the Ace as face card and another Ace in hole. Both in second round. I had placed a slightly higher bet, just in case I got a BJ, lost the bet both times.

How would I cut if the bottom card is 7-9? Do I cut them out, keep them in play, have them come out early in deck or later?

If you see a high card, do you cut it so that card comes out in latter rounds or early rounds if playing heads up or with one other player?

[Freightman]

call a trusted pro and you can split the money that can be made

Greetings and welcome.
Might be a first post. If NYCpro continues to post, he will be an excellent addition.

[Jabberwocky]

I'm far more concerned with quality hands and game. But to answer your question, I'd estimate 100 hands per hour. There is alot of horse shit that goes on like checking trays and changing decks etc.

My goal is to play 20 quality sessions a week. On average, this is going to get 1200 straight up hands per week with decent pen and probably 45 weeks annually.

My goal in poker is ten quality sessions per week. Any more and I risk burn out.

[RS]

The question ask to me which you hastily answered in my behalf has everything to do with counting cards.

The OP is just some cockamamie theory about a threshold at best. Certainly not a huge advantage or common occurance.

More disturbing is the OP worries about something like this and then states in another thread he walks away from a tc+5 because he is a few bucks ahead and doesn't want to lose.

Now if I employ Wong Halves, an RC +1 could indicate a deck composition of 2 Aces and 4 tens remain vs a combination of values of 2- 7s that total 7. In this case, I'd get every dollar I could in two spots on the table because 46% of the cards remaining are either a 10 or an Ace.

This thread has nothing to do with counting cards, at least it wasn't in the OP. What you and perhaps others tried to make of it, a different story.

If I'm cutting an ace or ten to me in the first round, tell me, what difference does using hilo, moses' 17 column count, wong halves, or just basic strategy make?

[ZeeBabar]

This thread has nothing to do with counting cards, at least it wasn't in the OP. What you and perhaps others tried to make of it, a different story.

If I'm cutting an ace or ten to me in the first round, tell me, what difference does using hilo, moses' 17 column count, wong halves, or just basic strategy make?

Since this is an AP forum, the thread also includes card counting. In general, you cannot cut yourself an Ace or 10 in the first round because that means sticking the cut card too low, under 5 cards if playing heads up. It's easier to cut it so it could come out in the 2-3 round. It could come to you or to the dealer or another ploppy. Thus, count becomes important as you want to size your bet knowing an Ace or 10 is coming out, you might want to play an extra hand that round, etc.

Say you are playing heads up, you have cut an Ace to about 10-15 cards, playing heads up. First round, you get a 2,3 to a dealer 4, you hit and get a 5,6 and stand, dealer has a 7, hits with an 8, you lose. It's a DD game, first round is over. You know the Ace is coming out soon. First hand you had placed a min. Bet. Of $25 and lost. How much do you bet? Do you play two hands?

Another scenario. You get two face cards, dealer has a Face card, you stand, he has a face card and it's a push. 4 cards have been played out, count is TC-2, your cut Ace is between 10-15 from bottom, what do you do. What kind of bet do you place? Count and betting matters.

[Bigdaddy]

Out of curiousity and respect to this thread, I've walked around and watched several shuffles. You are not going to see a bottom card here very often. I haven't seen one yet. At least in the larger casinos and I won't. You can tell the ones that do it the same way everytime. It appears to be part of their training.

Engage the dealer in conversation (especially the women dealers) while they're changing the cards out of the ASM. You'll see it happen more often....

[Freightman]

Engage the dealer in conversation (especially the women dealers) while they're changing the cards out of the ASM. You'll see it happen more often....

Biggest dealer error I ever had, and it was huge, came during casual conversation. This was with a very experienced dealer.

[Three]

If you think you can make a ton of money by seeing the bottom card.

Wow, you missed the entire point. You have a razor thin edge but you will find opportunities to add little bits to your EV all the time if you are prepared to take advantage of them. Individually none of them add much but as an aggregate being prepared to make the most of player options, information on a card that is coming, the dealers hole card, dealer errors, working the pit and dealer, etc will all add up to something that is significant. Only a fool doesn't know what it takes to take full advantage of every situation he may face. It is like thinking you are prepared for pro baseball but you can't hit a curve ball. You have to know what to do with the curve ball even if it is just fouling it off every time while you wait for your pitch.

[Three]

Knowing the next card you are going to get is far more values than some mathematical formula on a card you might get. Especially, in double down situations.

Knowing you will get an ace is very valuable. They have countermeasures in my region to make sure nobody can see the bottom card when presenting the pack for a cut. Why would they do this if the information is basically worthless? They do it because very skilled players can know exactly when that card will hit the table even if it is in the middle of the shoe. I wish I had that skill but I don't. I have seen it demonstrated before where predicting the card with near 100% accuracy was displayed repeatedly.