Playing under an alias.

[hitthat16]

Recent events in my blackjack life (my first 86) have inspired me to want to play under an assumed name. How does one go about doing this? I'd like to know a few details.

- Is it possible for someone as young as I am (millennial) to play under an assumed name? The issue is I get carded in most places.

- Is it possible to get a real ID under an assumed name? I obviously don't desire to play with fire by using a fake.

- How can one go about getting players cards in names other than their own?

Thanks in advance for any responses.

[Freightman]

Recent events in my blackjack life (my first 86) have inspired me to want to play under an assumed name. How does one go about doing this? I'd like to know a few details.

- Is it possible for someone as young as I am (millennial) to play under an assumed name? The issue is I get carded in most places.

- Is it possible to get a real ID under an assumed name? I obviously don't desire to play with fire by using a fake.

- How can one go about getting players cards in names other than their own?

Thanks in advance for any responses.

Does security scan your ID, or just let you in. If the latter, just go in when busy - they won't remember your name. If they scan - are u male. If female, get married, if convenient , and use your old ID. If male, get a legal name change. If your name, for example, is Herman Schmitz, just change it to Peter - no one will be the wiser.

Granted, my response is tongue in cheek. Be careful about false ID's - they can be more hassle than they are worth.

Having said that, if you're not a driver, don't have a drivers license, or say you don't have a drivers lucense, well I guess, your next best ID is a credit card. For the US,I have a US dollar Visa card made out with my first and middle name only. My middle name is such that it can easily be used as last name. It definitely has its uses, was obtained legally with the card issuer totally aware.

If you use a rental car with Valet parking, make sure your rental contract does not stay in the car. I tend not to get to excited about alternate ID's - others can chime in.

Last but not least - don't show bogus ID to cops and be careful about bogus ID's in some states. Make sure you're ass is covered.

[Bingo1]

Recent events in my blackjack life (my first 86) have inspired me to want to play under an assumed name. How does one go about doing this? I'd like to know a few details.

- Is it possible for someone as young as I am (millennial) to play under an assumed name? The issue is I get carded in most places.

- Is it possible to get a real ID under an assumed name? I obviously don't desire to play with fire by using a fake.

- How can one go about getting players cards in names other than their own?

Thanks in advance for any responses.

If you are a professional player don't ever use ever use your players card or I'D at any casino

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[Joe Mama]

It's easy to get player's cards. Folks leave them in machines all the time. If you get called out on it, you could pretend they gave you wrong card back at the craps table. Personally, I'm too chicken to try this.

[Freightman]

It's easy to get player's cards. Folks leave them in machines all the time. If you get called out on it, you could pretend they gave you wrong card back at the craps table. Personally, I'm too chicken to try this.

I found one recently. Louise as my first name just doesn't cut it.

[bigplayer]

I don't recommend using a "found" player card. Most casinos today scan your ID and it pops up on the screen when they swipe you in at the start of your session. Also with a "found" card you have no idea the age or race of the player which could be radically different.

Your only choice is to use a fake ID or get a friend to give you one of their cards to play on. Beware some casinos scan the ID and if you and your friend are radically different ages and look nothing like each other there could be an issue. Also beware mere possession of a fake ID in some states is a felony. That said, there is nothing inherently illegal in playing under an assumed name, you can give a casino any name you want as long as you use one name at a time and aren't using the names to defraud them or commit identity theft. Be sure your friend knows that his name could become unwelcome at blackjack but that in exchange for the risk he gets to keep use of the comps that might accrue. You should also get a letter (notarized) from your friend that says he has given you permission to play on his card so that you're not charged with identity theft. Be sure if the casino calls your friend to confirm this that he will confirm your story.

My personal preference for low stakes players is to just play unrated. Have one casino per market, preferably one where you wouldn't otherwise want to play, where you give some break-even rated play to trigger mail offers. Those mail offers will last for 6 to 12 months of repeated trips with no further play needed. Then you can play for real unrated everywhere else. If you're a higher stakes player you may decide that alternative ID is worth it. You should do a careful risk/reward analysis before beginning to move in this regard and you'll need to know someone who has access to such products as in today's PATRIOT Ace / Post 9-11 world storefront fake ID operations are a thing of the past and most of the sites on the internet are scams.

I agree with everyone here, never give your real name to play blackjack, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. You will never know when you will need it for some valuable promotion at a later date and a clean real name is immensely valuable for when you might need it to CTR or get a W2-G jackpot.

[Ryemo]

As always, great advice from bigplayer. I don't think it could have been said any better.

[Bingo1]

My reccomendation stay out of that casino were banned from (for at least a year) and go to other casinos and never use a players card (with a players card the casino gathers information)when you do go back to the old casino change your appearance, also at any casino adopt a cover that hides the fact that you are an AP or counter.Do not go to the same casino everyday(make rounds at different casinos)A casino does not need a reason to throw you out.So try not look so obvious and blend in with the other patrons,try not look like the neighbor counter or typical psychopath gambler.Do not stand out.Look like a ploppy just having a good time.

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[Bingo1]

If you are a professional player don't ever use ever use your players card or I'D at any casino

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If I know what I know now I would have not started using a players card especially when playing blackjack or a tablegame.The slot machines and Video poker might be an exception.I recently received a free play promotion in the mail and chose to use it for slot play(Video Poker)In most casinos the dealers and pit bosses can be pests when it comes to players cards at table games.They usually have a computer monitor and your picture will show up on a computer screen.I go by the old cliche,"you don't get something for nothing"when try earning points for free stuff they give you.(the casino uses uses players cards for info gathering) Is it worth giving up your Id and they will know who you are and eventually getting 86ed from a casino?As far as using a players card for electronic games I might make an exception.



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[bigplayer]

I'd add, I agree with everyone here, stay out of casinos that have officially 86'd you. (Warning you of being arrested if you ever return). If they 86'd you under some fake name and don't know your real name you might be able to sneak back in 3-5 years (depending on how well known you are). My first backoff was at New Palace in Biloxi many years ago after only 4 or so short weekend trips. I tried to get back in on a new player card 5 years later, played one session on grave and on swing shift a week later lasted all of about 20 seconds. Casinos have very long memories.

[Stevie Wonder]

I can relate to the struggles Hitthat. I too am on the younger side, and trying to explain to the pit crew why you don't have nor desire a players card is becoming a burden. They see it as no hotshot youngster betting anything substantial would refuse free crap and must be up to no good. Unfortunately for us, they are right. I played 4 sessions at 3 stores very recently, and was hounded about a card at each session. The first place, the critter blatantly stared my table (heads up) from the moment I sat down and told him I didn't have a card. Opened at $50. TC 1 for about 4 rounds. TC 2 Went up to $100, and got a nice loud checks play. Went about my business as critter approached again heckling about free comps and he will take care getting me a card if I just give him my ID. Soon after made my max $150 bet and got another checks play called, critter who has yet to take me out of his eyesight starts picking up a phone. I didn't stick around to see, but they made it obvious they assumed I was a counter and were not going to have any of that.

[Three]

The rated unrated debate focuses around this point. They made you because you played unrated. It may have gone the same way had you played rated but it probably wouldn't have. Plus you get free stuff (comps). I would say if you play a simple system that will force the Floor to act or catch grief for not acting play unrated. If you play in a way that allows the Floor to look the other way without catching grief you can choose to play rated. The second issue is what happens if they peg you. Some places will black book you while others just say no more BJ and don't network except maybe within their chain of stores. You have less playing rated at the latter. If you drove to the casino in your own car or a rental they know who you are anyway. They have your photo no matter what. Not much different than playing rated at stores that don't black book players unless they keep coming back after getting the tap. The trouble is learning which stores do what. That is not an easy task. Finding out stores to play unrated because they black book players is easy but knowing what ones don't is much harder. Playing rated is a gamble about the certainty of the store and their not sharing your info when the tap comes.

[Sharky]

...If you drove to the casino in....a rental they know who you are anyway....

are you suggesting that when you rent a car your id is now identified as that vehicle's 'owner'?....i am not familiar with this tech...plz elaborate