Fake ID

**Stevie Wonder** · 02-21-2017, 02:08 PM

So my gut feeling is that this is a terrible idea, but I figure I'd run it by everyone. A quick search online brings up quite a few websites claiming to make fake IDs that also pass scanners. If these claims were true, wouldn't everyone be running around playing rated under a false ID? What would happen if the rewards booth discovered your ID was a fake while trying to obtain a card under that identity? I'm trying to avoid that "look over" by PCs when they ask why I do not have nor wish for a card. As for now, having a friend lend me their card doesn't seem to be an option. It seems playing unrated causes them to watch my play a lot more closely. I'm aware more times than not it's the EITS busting us, but when a younger player betting green makes excuses for not having a card the PCs hawk my table afterwards. Also, no free play or comps would be used under this account. Strictly to ease the critters.

**Banker** · 02-21-2017, 02:27 PM

The biggest downside is that you could get arrested. If the booth person finds it is fake, they will notify security who will call the police and/or detain you. The laws vary between states and also what you do with it and whom you presented to make a difference. Even if you prevail, having an arrest record might ruin your chances for jobs, affect licenses etc..

**bigplayer** · 02-21-2017, 05:51 PM

Most of the sites online are either bogus are unreliable. They'll take your money and you might or might not get product as promised. I know some teams had a guy in-house who did all of their stuff for them and they were quite good using the same equipment that your local DMV office would have. I've heard that guy has since retired and sold off his equipment to some other group that I don't know.

You should realize that the laws covering these things vary greatly on a state-by-state basis. In some states it's a pretty serious felony. (Florida). In others it's not a crime at all unless it's an ID from that same state and you're caught in that same state and then it's sometimes only a misdemeanor. The most important thing is never to be caught with one of those things on you and never use an ID from say Nevada in Nevada or Louisiana in Louisiana.

Before you use these products you should do a pretty good risk/reward analysis. If you're a low stakes player you may be better off just playing unrated or get a friend who looks something like you to get a player card and use their card.

**hitthat16** · 02-21-2017, 06:53 PM

This is negative EV.

**Stevie Wonder** · 02-21-2017, 08:35 PM

Thanks for the help everyone. As expected, definitely not a wise move.

**pilotzone** · 02-22-2017, 09:51 PM

Getting

**RobinHood21** · 02-22-2017, 10:34 PM

Heads up... some casinos make their player cards by scanning ID's... so if you use someone else's player card that doesn't look like you, you can be had that way... I worked in a casino that had this... we scanned the ID and all of the info was automatically put into our system including a color photo of the front of the ID. When we would look at accounts the photo was on the main screen.

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**Stevie Wonder** · 02-23-2017, 06:44 AM

Unrated it is lol. Thanks for the info.

**Bodarc** · 02-24-2017, 07:25 PM

I have often wondered and inquired about something with no satisfactory answer. I know using an official government ID is against the law, but what if you faked a drivers license from some foreign entity? For example, have a driver's license from the Isle of Man or some little known country. It seems to me, this wouldn't be an official document since it isn't a US document. You could even mis-spell the country's name slightly since it would be so unknown that no one would notice. When asked for your ID, you'd just whip out your driver's license from the Isle of Man and hand it to them.

**Freightman** · 02-24-2017, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Bodarc

I have often wondered and inquired about something with no satisfactory answer. I know using an official government ID is against the law, but what if you faked a drivers license from some foreign entity? For example, have a driver's license from the Isle of Man or some little known country. It seems to me, this wouldn't be an official document since it isn't a US document. You could even mis-spell the country's name slightly since it would be so unknown that no one would notice. When asked for your ID, you'd just whip out your driver's license from the Isle of Man and hand it to them.

It's a fine line. Tread carefully. Firstly, your probably wrong in your assumption. Secondly, even if you're not, there could well be a large dollar penalty factor in getting yourself out of a potential mess. Further, even if you are right for some jurisdictions, you will not be right for all jurisdictions.

If you are considering this, the reward has to commensurate with the risk, which means high stakes.

**Banker** · 02-24-2017, 07:49 PM

I do not think casinos will accept a drivers license from a foreign entity except may be Canada but I could be wrong. I always interpreted the sign of "state issues ID" as ID issues by State (as one of the 50 states) or a foreign country (i.e. passport). If someone knows better, please advise.

**Freightman** · 02-24-2017, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Banker

I do not think casinos will accept a drivers license from a foreign entity except may be Canada but I could be wrong. I always interpreted the sign of "state issues ID" as ID issues by State (as one of the 50 states) or a foreign country (i.e. passport). If someone knows better, please advise.

Actually, I believe I stand corrected on my comment. Seems to me that only US or Canadian drivers licenses would be accepted as ID. Under no circumstance whatsoever, should a passport be counterfeited.