Alleged Flat Betting of Ploppy

[NotEnoughHeat]

In this twoplustwo thread the OP claims that he was flat bet at Bellagio: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/31...nners-1653236/

I have heard a few of you mention places banning or using counter counter-measures against ploppies but I'm curious as to how often it occurs.

Thoughts?

[hitA7]

recently saw a ploppy who was betting relatively flat ($300 to $500) get BO as he went on this incredible winning streak in one shoe (8D, ASM shuffled game).

[ZenMaster_Flash]

On the East Coast, the highest level BJ action is found at the Borgata
and Foxwoods. My understanding is that both bar non-counters with
high cumulative wins.

[ZeeBabar]

On the East Coast, the highest level BJ action is found at the Borgata
and Foxwoods. My understanding is that both bar non-counters with
high cumulative wins.

while a non counter can win big in one session. Could a non counter continue to accumulate wins enough to be barred, given that even the best BS player has negative odds? Thus, high cumulative wins, probably indicate a counter or an AP.

[NotEnoughHeat]

while a non counter can win big in one session. Could a non counter continue to accumulate wins enough to be barred, given that even the best BS player has negative odds? Thus, high cumulative wins, probably indicate a counter or an AP.

Lots can still happen across multiple sessions. The casinos edge against the ploppy is just as razor thin as the card counter's so we shouldn't expect a ploppy's certainty to lose to be that much different than a counters certainty to win. If a game had a house edge of 0.68% and a SD of 1.13 (these are rough numbers, not representative of an actual game), then the casino has a N0 around 28k. It's also quite easy to certain certain tolerance levels if you're just betting high. It's not like casinos measure cumulative wins in units or anything.

[Bigdaddy]

Don't believe everything (or anything) you read online. This story of the Bellagio backing off a non-counter doesn't pass the smell test. Bellagio is a professional gambling establishment of the highest order. So would they back off a high-stakes player without verifying that he's moving his bet with the count, or using an advantage play? I'm trying to visualize the management conversation...

(Pit boss call to EITS) "Some guy at table 5 keeps winning pretty big. Better check him out." (EITS, after some observation) "Can't tell you for sure what's going on, but we don't think that he's moving his bet with the count." (Shift Manager) I don't care, I don't want this guy to win any more on my shift - show him the door." (Table Games Manager, after reviewing the situation) "WTF! - You back off a player that wasn't moving his bet with the count?!?! WTF was he doing? You don't know?!?!

Bottom line - If this story is true, it reeks of incompetence at the Bellagio...so I doubt it....

[NotEnoughHeat]

Don't believe everything (or anything) you read online.

Hence the 'alleged' part of the title

Bottom line - If this story is true, it reeks of incompetence at the Bellagio...so I doubt it....

I appreciate the opinion on this. I have never been to Vegas but I do pick up bits of information where I can.

[Jabberwocky]

Hence the 'alleged' part of the title



I appreciate the opinion on this. I have never been to Vegas but I do pick up bits of information where I can.

I'll be moving to LV in a few months. Belagio will be high on my list.

[Three]

while a non counter can win big in one session. Could a non counter continue to accumulate wins enough to be barred, given that even the best BS player has negative odds? Thus, high cumulative wins, probably indicate a counter or an AP.

All that is necessary town is to be willing to walk away when ahead. Most ploppies play until they lose all the money they brought. If they get up a ton and lose a fraction of it they play until they get that tiny bit back. They usually don't and continue to lose until the lose everything they came with. After entering losing territory the don't want to get their buy-in back. they want to get back to the $8K ahead they managed to get betting small before they started betting much higher. Play a high enough variance game and the swings will go up and down most days with a steady downdraft. Some ploppies hate losing money and are capable of leaving a high percentage of the time while they are ahead. I imagine if they are big stakes ploppies with the later gambling philosophy they can win a lot for a long time before the worm turns and they give it all back.

[Three]

On the East Coast, the highest level BJ action is found at the Borgata
and Foxwoods. My understanding is that both bar non-counters with
high cumulative wins.

You guys do realize he said "Borgata" and "On the East Coast", not Bellagio, right?