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    T3’s multydecks and Mose’s SD

    This thread is not about “my way is better than yours”, so please explain calmly why you choose to play your way, without heated debate.
    In your various posts I understand T3 chooses to play 6 or 8 deckers and Mose prefers to play SD, they are different as Chihuahua and Bulldog and be treated differently beside Basis Strategies. Please share your experience how you do it, what to look for. This question also apply to any number of deck from any of you choose to play. Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    I didn't set out to reinvent the wheel. Hell, i didn't know there was a wheel.
    Now that I've totally lost you. I'm happy to answer further questions.
    Thanks for both of you who give the answers. Yes, the answers are informative but may takes me many years to decipher them. let alone apply those techniques in real life casino. I, like many other players, having enough trouble in keeping/using aces side count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    I am glad you read my response before I deleted it.The math is sound as long as you have the discipline to follow it and the smarts to understand how to be allowed to ply your trade in the casino unmolested.
    Those techniques let you "looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck so it must be a duck". There are many thread, books talking about camo/disguise play but your methods makes casino think you are the fat ducks. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by cc12b View Post
    Those techniques let you "looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck so it must be a duck". There are many thread, books talking about camo/disguise play but your methods makes casino think you are the fat ducks. lol
    A practical deviation of that exoression - it's okay to put a duck on an elephant, it's not okay go put an elephant on a duck.

    I'll let you try to figure that one out.

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    I played, and not by choice, exclusively 6 or 8 deck games. In Australia, particularly where I am, we only have 8 deck H17 games available.

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    Moses, I do not hijack T3 thread in that you talk much about your count for SD. Is your SD 6/5? I know a place has 6/5 SD but rules quite liberal "H 17, DOA2, Rsp to 4 hands, Double after re-split, LS, deal to around 40 cards. can spread to any number of hands but 2 spots min is 2x min per spot, 3 spots 3x min per spot e.t.c. Usually min $10 to max $1000 but at wee hours it lowers to $5 and busy weekends may be some tables $15 min. I am using Zen for DD but learning to keep ASC for later to switch to HO2. How much is your count better than HO2 in $/hr?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cc12b View Post
    How much is your count better than HO2 in $/hr?
    You have things backwards.
    Hi-Opt II outperforms his.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    You have things backwards.
    Hi-Opt II outperforms his.
    Hi Opt II simply is not an efficient tool for today's game. Wong Halves and Perfect Insurance is more streamlined and profitable with less brainpower.

    These never ending threads are a result of T3 and Flash imposing their will on Hi Opt II. EOR will never change. However, constant change proves historical. Create confusion to confound the understanding. You don't need a mentor.

    Wong Halves and Perfect Insurance is the best way to keep up with it all.

    For a deeper understanding of the game see Moses Column Charts and Explanation.

    Top engineers have the ability to understand complex equations. But the best ones can make complex simple again.
    Last edited by moses; 10-06-2017 at 11:27 AM.

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    If the stakes are large enough I would readily agree to a "match"

    We agree on rules, locale, etc. and each of us contribute 50% to

    a Six Figure escrow account. We each deal to each other 500 hands

    of BJ. The games will be supervised by an agreed upon 3rd party,

    and action will be video recorded. He who does better, takes the money.

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    Being a neutral, I would gladly (I did not say freely, as this is not pro bono work) offer my time and services as the escrow agent and judge/supervisor.

    Btw, which of the following rules will apply:

    1D/DD/6D;
    S17/H17;
    3:2 (heaven help us - 6:5);
    LS;
    DA2;
    DAS; and
    RSA.
    Last edited by Frank Galvin; 02-24-2017 at 03:23 PM.
    "Your honor, with all due respect: if you're going to try my case for me, I wish you wouldn't lose it."

    Fictitious Boston Attorney Frank Galvin (Paul Newman - January 26, 1925 - September 26, 2008) in The Verdict, 1982, lambasting Trial Judge Hoyle (Milo Donal O'Shea - June 2, 1926 - April 2, 2013) - http://imdb.com/title/tt0084855/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    If the stakes are large enough I would readily agree to a "match"

    We agree on rules, locale, etc. and each of us contribute 50% to

    a Six Figure escrow account. We each deal to each other 500 hands

    of BJ. The games will be supervised by an agreed upon 3rd party,

    and action will be video recorded. He who does better, takes the money.

    I like the challenge but personally would decline.

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    Joust in Reno?
    "Your honor, with all due respect: if you're going to try my case for me, I wish you wouldn't lose it."

    Fictitious Boston Attorney Frank Galvin (Paul Newman - January 26, 1925 - September 26, 2008) in The Verdict, 1982, lambasting Trial Judge Hoyle (Milo Donal O'Shea - June 2, 1926 - April 2, 2013) - http://imdb.com/title/tt0084855/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Galvin View Post
    Being a neutral, I would gladly (I did not say freely, as this is not pro bono work)
    offer my time and services as the escrow agent and judge/supervisor.

    Btw, which of the following rules will apply:

    1D/DD/6D;
    S17/H17;
    3:2 (heaven help us - 6:5);
    LS;
    DA2;
    DAS; and
    RSA.

    I unreservedly accept Counselor Galvin as supervisor.

    I am willing to offer him a flat fee of $1,000

    payed by the winner.

    I suggest an account of $200,000

    Since my opponent favors Single Deck

    and I do not, I agree to a H17 DD game

    with Cut Card at 94 cards Double any 2, LS, DAS, RSA, SP4

    Did I say "Put Up or Shut Up" ? Nope.

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