Dealer peeks on 10/Ace

**Norm** · 01-26-2017, 05:16 PM

Yes.

**Phoebe** · 01-27-2017, 01:48 AM

I wanted to say that Early Surrender is unusual but peeking is logical.

**Phoebe** · 01-31-2017, 02:32 AM

Hey ! Does really bonus work ?!
It remove one bet from automatic 21 win.
But what about winning double ?

"Dealer peeks on 10/Ace" should stop any player win (vs BJ)

**Three** · 01-31-2017, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by Philippe B

"Dealer peeks on 10/Ace" should stop any player win (vs BJ)

Except for a player BJ.

**Phoebe** · 01-31-2017, 05:26 AM

Yes, of course.
That why I said "stop". Player's previous wins remain.

**Three** · 01-31-2017, 05:33 AM

If you are using the SP21 template the simulator is doing it right. I have never played Pontoon but as I understand it you win all 21's if the dealer gets BJ upon taking his hole card after you get 21. I could have a false understanding. Perhaps those that play pontoon can confirm or debunk my understanding.

**davethebuilder** · 01-31-2017, 05:56 AM

Pontoon is played with NHC and a player 21 is an automatic winner whatever form it takes. The player is paid out immediately and their cards removed from the table so it does not matter what the dealer turns over.

**Phoebe** · 01-31-2017, 06:03 AM

Pontoon has no hole card but technically, surrender remain late.
If you surrender, dealer place a mark on your bet.
If he gets a natural, you lose your entire bet (page 7 of Bible)

BTW, in pontoon, if you do not count, you never surrender. A presume because 21 wins even vs a natural.

Here I am talking about peeks.

**davethebuilder** · 01-31-2017, 06:27 AM

Pontoon is played with NHC and it is correct strategy for the BS player to never surrender. Spanish 21 is played with a hole card and the dealer does peek for a natural. If the dealer does not have a natural you can surrender if it is offered.

Pontoon is not played with a hole card so peeking is not relevant. As a result of the NHC rule, OBO, BB+1 OBBO and ENHC are offered in compensation if the dealer has a natural.

**Phoebe** · 01-31-2017, 06:30 AM

Back to to issue,

SOME SIMS WITH PEEK AND EARLY SURRENDER ARE WRONG !

**davethebuilder** · 01-31-2017, 06:39 AM

You need to talk to Norm about this but don't confuse SP21 and Pontoon as they have different rules and game mechanics.

**Phoebe** · 01-31-2017, 06:51 AM

I have.
And no. I don't confuse SP21 and Pontoon.

Mecanism is simple.
1) Dealer propose surrender vs Ace ("Early surrender vs Ace")
2) Dealer peeks for Blackjack ("Dealer peeks on Ace" + "Dealer peeks on 10")

Results are obviously wrong. Or
1) MGP BJ CA is wrong.
and
2) Some casino at sea are more stupid that you have ever imaginated.