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    T3

    These never ending threads are a result of T3 and Flash imposing their will on Hi Opt II. EOR will never change. However, constant change proves historical. Wong Halves and Perfect Insurance is the best way to keep up with it all.

    For a deeper understanding of the game see Moses Column Charts and Explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    conventional wisdom of PE instead of BC concentration on shoes.
    This notion was true, long ago and far away, BUT it is dependent on spread.

    I would gladly play with Hi-Lo if I could spread 24 to 1 in good 6 deckers.

    The reality of today's game is that aggressive spreads are hardly ever

    tolerated for long, especially with a noticeable cumulative win.

    Earning reasonable profits with moderate spreads i.e. <12-1 in good 6 deckers

    provides the Hi-Opt II user with very significant tools with which to profit WITH

    an enhance degree of longevity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Why not Uston APC for the PE count? You have the full value of the 5 and don't have to side count the 7.
    Why do you think you have to side count the 7? I don't think Flash side counts 7's in shoe games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Keeping two counts is doable. This may not be as complex as you make it sound if you direct your objectives to the dollar value and not bicker over dimes.
    Keeping two counts does improves BC but we had a discussion about using the side count to improve playing efficiency as well. From other articles I've read I haven't read any methods where you can keep two counts and use the other count for both betting and playing deviations. Especially side counting aces vs low cards. Could you please tell me how you use the secondary count for both betting and playing purpose. I already understand how you use it for betting but not sure how you can do it for playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    We can talk about whatever you want.

    The idea come to me after watching Peyton Manning call audibles at the line of scrimmage. You take what the defense gives so to speak.
    Sort of like an ad lib porn script - plan the end around and shift to the naked reverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    tell me how you use the secondary count for both betting and playing purpose.
    Responding in the most concise way that I can.

    Would you double 10 vs 10 if there were no Aces left ? NOT LIKELY.
    But you would double 11 vs. Ace more readily with a big Deficit of Aces. SURE.
    What if there are many Surplus Aces, so that your next card has an INCREASED
    chance of being an Ace. Would you care to double 8 vs. 6 ?

    How is this not understandable ?

    Based upon the hand matchup the index for some plays is ADJUSTED. S I M P L E

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    "tell me how you use the secondary count for both betting and playing purpose."
    Responding in the most concise way that I can.

    Would you double 10 vs 10 if there were no Aces left ?
    NOT LIKELY.

    But you would double 11 vs. Ace more readily with a big
    Deficit of Aces.
    SURELY.


    What if there are many
    Surplus Aces, so that your next card
    has an INCREASED
    chance of being an Ace.

    Would you care to double 8 vs. 6 ?


    How is this not understandable ?

    Based upon the hand matchup the index for some plays
    is ADJUSTED. S I M P L E

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    For me, I do a column count and a conventional count. I just don't make the call until the 3rd or 4th hand.
    Sorry, for asking questions when this thread is about T3. But for moses, you mention that you switch back and forth between your column count and your conventional level 3 count system. What I don't understand is how you convert the count from your column count to the running count in your conventional level 3 count? Suppose you are playing single deck blackjack you are on the four hand and decide to switch to your level 3 conventional count. How do you know the running count equivalent for your level 3 count when you switch from your column count?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    Responding in the most concise way that I can.

    Would you double 10 vs 10 if there were no Aces left ? NOT LIKELY.
    But you would double 11 vs. Ace more readily with a big Deficit of Aces. SURE.
    What if there are many Surplus Aces, so that your next card has an INCREASED
    chance of being an Ace. Would you care to double 8 vs. 6 ?

    How is this not understandable ?

    Based upon the hand matchup the index for some plays is ADJUSTED. S I M P L E
    We should call this the Passover thread. Why is this thread different than other threads? Just might start a Dear Dr. Freightman thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    Responding in the most concise way that I can.

    Would you double 10 vs 10 if there were no Aces left ? NOT LIKELY.
    But you would double 11 vs. Ace more readily with a big Deficit of Aces. SURE.
    What if there are many Surplus Aces, so that your next card has an INCREASED
    chance of being an Ace. Would you care to double 8 vs. 6 ?

    How is this not understandable ?



    Based upon the hand matchup the index for some plays is ADJUSTED. S I M P L E
    You are doing ace adjustment for playing purpose but T3 mention that he is keeping a balanced ace side count where he is counting aces vs low cards and add that count to the Hi-OPT II count for betting. T3 is NOT keeping an ace adjustment for deficit and surplus of aces from what I understood. Or did I misunderstood and he is keeping an ace adjustment of deficit and surplus of aces? What I don't understand is using the information from his secondary count how does he adjust his playing strategies and betting at the same time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    We should call this the Passover thread. Why is this thread different than other threads? Just might start a Dear Dr. Freightman thread.
    It was my bad I shouldn't have brought up the discussion regarding side counting, sorry.
    Last edited by seriousplayer; 12-30-2016 at 01:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    From other articles I've read I haven't read any methods where you can keep two counts and use the other count for both betting and playing deviations.
    Some plays are ace sensitive and the combined out or adding a multiple of the side count to properly weight aces can be an improvement over the main count. Of course you would need an index for that version of combining the counts. A balanced side count is definitely a lot less useful for playing adjustments than a straight side count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    Sorry, for asking questions when this thread is about T3.
    Talk about whatever you want. I didn't start this thread and only answered the thread to stop the questions. As far as I am concerned I regret ever trying to share advancements in the forum. I jeopardized my play and all I got was a lot of shit for it. I don't recommend anyone ever share advancements except with a select few. There is no upside. There is only the possibility of killing your newfound advantage and the getting shit from those that won't understand it.

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