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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Atta boy. Now you're talkin.
    If I am going to move up to a higher level count I already have two count systems in mind and it is not HI-OPT II.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    So does the pit want to keep the guy that's exchanging dollars or the one that is handing them over?
    I expressed concern about upsetting people that they raised the table limit to accommodate their bets. The suit said not to worry about it my being alive would upset them as much as how I played my hand. Basically she was saying that they were going to be upset about something no matter what and it is nice for the casino employees to get a break from being blamed. The table minimum was so high I was the only one attempting to play the game. The funny thing was when I left they complained because I had brought them good luck and know their luck was sure to turn and it was my fault. They were probably right. A monster count had just flipped into negative territory and that was why I was leaving. The next day the dealer said they lost $250K that day. Often they have reserved spots for these 2 guys because they said they might fly in. I love playing at a 4 spot table and watching the ploppies be told they can't play. Then the ploppies come back a half hour later and are still told they can't play. They say but they have been gone more than 20 minutes. I love their expressions when I tell them they haven't even arrived yet and the spots will still be reserved even if they haven't come yet hours later. When I see them again I am still their lucky charm because I left at the right time. I know they will bitch like hell at everything at do and the casino staff will finally get a break from catching the blame and they will be grateful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    A simpler count make exploiting the game easier. Sometimes I do backcount on shoe games. Using a simpler count make back count easier. I don't want to struggle to get an edge in the game. Besides why would you want to back count a table using a multi-parameter count?
    Nothing wrong with feeling this way but any count will become thoughtless with enough reputation. It will be a struggle for a while but eventually it will be done quickly, accurately and with no effort. Sometimes I will realize I haven't consciously though about counting for many hands. I get worried I made a mistake while not even thinking about counting my 2 counts. The results and the way the count ran to the end of the shoe almost always indicate there is no reason to worry. I mean you are 2 decks into the shoe and the RC is in the 40's you think oh crap I haven't been thinking about counting since the shuffle. Then when the RC almost reaches zero by the shuffle you realize in all likelihood that you didn't make a mistake while counting subconsciously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    That is true but if I were to move up to a move complex count it might not be Hi-OPT II because after researching other count systems I found that HI-OPT II doesn't significantly out perform other level 2 and level 3 count systems. Notice I said "significantly" it does out perform other count systems but not significantly I just want to make that clear. Just to clarify things I don't use REKO in running count mode. I modify the KO count system by truing it including the indices and betting.
    Pick the count that best suits your strengths and weaknesses as a counter. Play to your strengths while trying to improve on your weaknesses. You are right about the differences in higher level counts. Many vie closely to Hiopt2/ASC and some are just a little off that. The important thing is the count works for who you are and the games you intend on attacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    "I found that HI-OPT II doesn't significantly out perform other level 2 and level 3 count systems."
    Including Level 3 systems clouds the fact that you are mistaken,
    although Ace-reckoned counts are almost as strong as Hi-Opt II.

    Returning to (less error-prone) Level Two counts we have a level
    playing field. You have note done an ANOVA [analysis of variance]
    to determine what you (obviously) IMAGINE is insignificant ?
    Do the usual t-tests, etc. and set your alpha at .05 or .01
    You will see that the difference in e.v. IS "statistically significant."
    It is not your fault that with just a B.A. or less you fail to grasp
    what "statistically significant" means, but it is your decision to go
    through life pretending that you are smarter than your superiors.
    You will gain respect by expressing a little respect and humility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    I've often wondered about the economics of keeping a table reserved for someone that either didn't show or was hours late. I sometimes think it's a subliminal message being sent that we will play for large stakes. The action on the other side doesn't match. Refusing to bump a $5 or $10 min. To a $25 min. Then only dealing 5 rounds SDSU and treating me like a criminal. Only a couple of places do this but I've never seen anyone actually show up at the Reserved table.
    BoSox wrote:

    Moses, it must of took you four beers in your car to regroup from those two max bet $30 dollar losses. Don't feel bad even if you won the hand you gave away all the + EV with that $5 tip.

    Moses answered with:

    LOL. It was $150 lost but might have been $300 won had I split. But the risk of losing an annuity was not worth it. The relative small dollars are because my opponent can't handle it, not me. I find my "colorful" language is the quickest way to regroup. Best done alone.

    Don't kid me I was right the first time. How did you get the casino to raise the table stakes to a quarter table? Just kidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    A $250k loss is hard to fathom without several heads rolling.
    The players lost 250K to the casino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    Including Level 3 systems clouds the fact that you are mistaken,
    although Ace-reckoned counts are almost as strong as Hi-Opt II.

    Returning to (less error-prone) Level Two counts we have a level
    playing field. You have note done an ANOVA [analysis of variance]
    to determine what you (obviously) IMAGINE is insignificant ?
    Do the usual t-tests, etc. and set your alpha at .05 or .01
    You will see that the difference in e.v. IS "statistically significant."
    It is not your fault that with just a B.A. or less you fail to grasp
    what "statistically significant" means, but it is your decision to go
    through life pretending that you are smarter than your superiors.
    You will gain respect by expressing a little respect and humility.
    What?? I am not trying to disrespect anyone I am just stating the facts nor do I think that I am smarter than my superiors. Well, from what I read from the posts all I need to know is the SCORE everything else is extra in terms of what you describe to be statistically significant. Higher SCORE lower the variances.
    Last edited by seriousplayer; 12-31-2016 at 11:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    So yes. I will fly to the East Coast if T3 and Bosox will take me to the casino's where the pit crew just bends over and grabs their ankles. Id kind of like to see that.
    Many East Coast casinos handle such large bets that what I do looks insignificant. They know that the huge bets come with large swings but in the long run they will get the money just based on the odds. Through in the gambler mentality of always chasing the high point of a session and you have players that have a hard time walking away with a profit even if they got lucky. You say they are bending over backwards but the truth is the high roller is bending over backwards not the casino. If you regularly won hundreds of thousands of dollars a day or more by reserving tables or spots for big players why wouldn't you do it. Foxwoods gets the really big action and it is in a casino behind locked doors practically on the roof. The action you see looks like really big action but the biggest you need to get behind the locked doors. One time they had spots reserved for a guy that was there but hadn't come down to play yet. In a short time of him playing their EV is higher than the tables EV for a week. It is easy to fly under the radar at the places that have high rollers like these but if the games are great, which they often are, they protect them aggressively from true threats but not any counter. The places with worse games often don't sweat as much because the game's advantage is protection enough in most cases.
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    I do love a place with lots of dummies throwing around big bets without a clue. Makes the place pretty friendly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    Many East Coast casinos handle such large bets that what I do looks insignificant.
    Tthree, I agree with you 100% on this. Blending in with a great act, looking non threatening, while actually betting some damn good wagers. I see idle dealers on reserved tables all the time, and I do get angry sometimes when a favorite dealer is at that table but never say anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    Foxwoods gets the really big action and it is in a casino behind locked doors practically on the roof. The action you see looks like really big action but the biggest you need to get behind the locked doors.
    Personally I have never played in the Star Gazer Casino "frankly I forgot the name" but have a friend who has. Security has given my wife and I a tour of the room. A few times I had previously asked for and received a reserved table in the Newport Room when a little slow but that was in the past. Now I do not like to play in any big room when it is to slow, and I also do not like to play a heads up game but will If I like the dealer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    The places with worse games often don't sweat as much because the game's advantage is protection enough in most cases.
    I like places like this, using extreme scouting you will find something, an error in dealer procedure maybe, possibly a relief dealer who just happens to fill in for the day who is usually at say the craps table with a care less attitude, or a dumb house procedure and suddenly the game is not so bad any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Point is, in a SDSU game, I'd better be counting the 30th card or its feet do your stuff.

    Morons making thousands of dollars? I see many lose that much darn near everyday. But I've yet to see a "moron" leave the table a dollar ahead. Usually, winning 7 out of 10 hands followed by a swift walk to the cash machine hollering "these guys are fucking me too." And then come back to a 6.5 table to change their "luck."
    Just couple days ago I saw it at the table, DD $25 min $2000max, I played with 2 other players. The guy next to my right betting like "drunken sailor" mean no pattern at all. He jumped to 2x $200 when my count (Zen) was -3 or bet min when TC was +5. Somehow he won majority of the hands, got a lot of BJ and 20s at mean time I and others got crushed with stiffed hands. After about an hour. he colored up couple thousands with $300 buy in. How do you explain this phenomenon. May be he used T3 count

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    Quote Originally Posted by cc12b View Post
    .... After about an hour. he colored up couple thousands with $300 buy in. How do you explain this phenomenon. May be he used T3 count
    that's called the SHORT RUN, buddy....it's PURE LUCK and anyone can do it....he/she will likely give it all back and then some

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