Question re: 6-5 double deck

[JBX2]

Double deck. 6-5
DAS, SAT, H17.
With a cut of 50%
I know, I know...HORRIBLE game!!
But I have two questions:

(1) At what true count does the player have a pos. EV for the next hand?
(2) Re: all >= to this true count above, what jump in min bet would I have to employ in order to actually gain a pos. EV for the game overall?


Please don't tell me the game sucks and that I shouldn't play it.
And please don't tell me that the house would never allow for the jumps I would need to employ.
I know.
Just two simple math questions of which I am curious.

[Freightman]

Okay
Haven't bothered to sim, but this piece of shit game, an oozing pustule of foul smelling pus, probably breaks even around true 3- what's SAT, and does it have RSA.

Dorian Gray, the alter ego of this sad excuse of blackjack, might suggest, assuming heads up and 25 min, a modest jump from 1x25 to 2x500.

Though not researched, I trust the foregoing meets with your approval, and by the grace of god, some other attribute of this game, known only to you, beckons you to untold riches.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

The game is countable.

Play it heads-up and spread 30-1 using the "St. Jude Count."

Spread aggressively.

Public Domain: https://www.dropbox.com/s/icjhlissso...Count.pdf?dl=0

[Three]

"St. Jude Count."

St Jude: The patron Saint of lost causes.

[Frank Galvin]

The game is countable.

Play it heads-up and spread 30-1 using the "St. Jude Count."

Spread aggressively.

Public Domain: https://www.dropbox.com/s/icjhlissso...Count.pdf?dl=0

Yes, on first blush it does bring VAPC to mind, but..... its an unbalanced count, and Ace-reckoned (Aces assigned a non-zero tag value).

Jabberwocky, do you simply change the tag value for the 3 Ten valued cards from -2 to -3 when playing Super Fun 21? For Spanish 21? Just curious as I used to employ the VAPC counting system for blackjack card counting.

[Jabberwocky]

Yes, on first blush it does bring VAPC to mind, but..... its an unbalanced count, and Ace-reckoned (Aces assigned a non-zero tag value).

Jabberwocky, do you simply change the tag value for the 3 Ten valued cards from -2 to -3 when playing Super Fun 21? For Spanish 21? Just curious as I used to employ the VAPC counting system for blackjack card counting.

The tags I use for SUPER FUN 21:

A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 T
1 1 2 2 3 2 1 0 0 -3

[cc12b]

The tags I use for SUPER FUN 21:

A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 T
1 1 2 2 3 2 1 0 0 -3

I see some dealers in a casino deals SD SF21 down to about 10 cards or less before shuffle and I plug your tag value into Efficiency Calculator it gives darn good PE, BC, IC. I will take closer look at this game

[ZenMaster_Flash]

I love Jabberwocky's Level Three Count.
As it is a Single Deck game, this count
is easier than it looks.

Playing Heads Up I would make some wild-ass
bets with 2 or 3 units "off the top" and spreading
as far as 20-1 if "heads-up", and 30-1 with one
other player. With more players I 'd leave the table.

[cc12b]

Playing Heads Up I would make some wild-ass
bets with 2 or 3 units "off the top" and spreading
as far as 20-1 if "heads-up", and 30-1 with one
other player. With more players I 'd leave the table.

With SF21, the P.C may not give a 2nd look when someone jump his bet 20X or 30X. But I think the E.I.S can see the tattoo "I'm CC" on his forehead. LOL

[ZenMaster_Flash]

" ... may not give a 2nd look when someone jump his bet 20X or 30X."

In a game with such a high House Edge and a limited number of
rounds one must be aggressive but it takes a very strong count
to more than double a bet.

I would set tripling my bet as the maximum aggression to apply.

In a shoe game or a nicely cut DD game only morons, degenerates,
drunks, and amateur card counters will more than double a bet or
more than half it. That is a 100% clear and obvious direct route to
a barring and worse.

Greed kills.

[RS]

In a game with such a high House Edge and a limited number of
rounds one must be aggressive but it takes a very strong count
to more than double a bet.

I would set tripling my bet as the maximum aggression to apply.

In a shoe game or a nicely cut DD game only morons, degenerates,
drunks, and amateur card counters will more than double a bet or
more than half it. That is a 100% clear and obvious direct route to
a barring and worse.

Greed kills.

You can't spread 1-20 or 1-30 on a pitch game without more than doubling or tripling your previous bet.

[cc12b]

The tags I use for SUPER FUN 21:

A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 T
1 1 2 2 3 2 1 0 0 -3

Hi, Please share indices. Thanks

[Jabberwocky]

The game is countable.

Play it heads-up and spread 30-1 using the "St. Jude Count."

Spread aggressively.

Public Domain: https://www.dropbox.com/s/icjhlissso...Count.pdf?dl=0

I use a modified SJC for SuperFun21.