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    Question re: 6-5 double deck

    Double deck. 6-5
    DAS, SAT, H17.
    With a cut of 50%
    I know, I know...HORRIBLE game!!
    But I have two questions:

    (1) At what true count does the player have a pos. EV for the next hand?
    (2) Re: all >= to this true count above, what jump in min bet would I have to employ in order to actually gain a pos. EV for the game overall?


    Please don't tell me the game sucks and that I shouldn't play it.
    And please don't tell me that the house would never allow for the jumps I would need to employ.
    I know.
    Just two simple math questions of which I am curious.

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    Okay
    Haven't bothered to sim, but this piece of shit game, an oozing pustule of foul smelling pus, probably breaks even around true 3- what's SAT, and does it have RSA.

    Dorian Gray, the alter ego of this sad excuse of blackjack, might suggest, assuming heads up and 25 min, a modest jump from 1x25 to 2x500.

    Though not researched, I trust the foregoing meets with your approval, and by the grace of god, some other attribute of this game, known only to you, beckons you to untold riches.

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    The game is countable.

    Play it heads-up and spread 30-1 using the "St. Jude Count."

    Spread aggressively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    The game is countable.

    Play it heads-up and spread 30-1 using the "St. Jude Count."

    Spread aggressively.

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    I use a modified SJC for SuperFun21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    "St. Jude Count."
    St Jude: The patron Saint of lost causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    I use a modified SJC for SuperFun21.
    It happens to be level 3 similar to VAPC.

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    I'm spreading 100-1 @ heads up and 50% pen.

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    I am in debt to The Monkey for his wisdom on Spanish. But my sims say the St Jude is not a great count, and is outperformed by simpler systems like Zen.

    To the OP, 6:5 double deck can be played. But you're gonna have to do ridiculous stuff to get a palatable edge.
    The Cash Cow.

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    Did a quick CVCX sim on this using Hi-Opt II (OP didn't specify the count method). First advantage is obtained at TC +7, at which point you would have to jump your bet x24 to have an overall edge on the game (SCORE of 0.01).

    At a spread of 1 - 100, the SCORE for this game is a whopping 4.46. Who says 6:5 isn't playable .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    The game is countable.

    Play it heads-up and spread 30-1 using the "St. Jude Count."

    Spread aggressively.

    Public Domain:
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    Yes, on first blush it does bring VAPC to mind, but..... its an unbalanced count, and Ace-reckoned (Aces assigned a non-zero tag value).

    Jabberwocky, do you simply change the tag value for the 3 Ten valued cards from -2 to -3 when playing Super Fun 21? For Spanish 21? Just curious as I used to employ the VAPC counting system for blackjack card counting.
    "Your honor, with all due respect: if you're going to try my case for me, I wish you wouldn't lose it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Galvin View Post
    Yes, on first blush it does bring VAPC to mind, but..... its an unbalanced count, and Ace-reckoned (Aces assigned a non-zero tag value).

    Jabberwocky, do you simply change the tag value for the 3 Ten valued cards from -2 to -3 when playing Super Fun 21? For Spanish 21? Just curious as I used to employ the VAPC counting system for blackjack card counting.
    I'll get back to you later. I just concluded an all night session and very fatigued.

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    1. Hi Opt II works fine, but modify your ace-richness betting adjustment to count it as 1 instead of 2.

    2. Honestly, Zen is a a near-optimal system.
    The Cash Cow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddy View Post
    At a spread of 1 - 100, the SCORE for this game is a whopping 4.46. Who says 6:5 isn't playable .
    A score of only 4.46 with the variance a spread like that would bring makes me want to retch. Nope nope, not playing that lol.

    I wonder how score would be affected with the modification to the ASC adjustment that moo suggests.

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