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    I sent you the sim file.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJFan View Post
    Why "No double Down" when Max bet @3? There must be an index as there's an index for non RA and for Max bet @6.
    Risk aversion is about maximizing CE. You do that by not doubling until the critical fraction of BR where the CE of the two plays are equal is higher than the fraction of your BR you have bet. For there to be no index the max bet must be a higher percentage of your BR.

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    If your max bet is at a low count, and you are betting optimally (which is assumed by the RA generator), then your spread must be low. This means your overall EV is poor. The generator will attempt to lower your overall variance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    If your max bet is at a low count, and you are betting optimally
    Betting optimally to what RoR? If you are attacking a worse game you may choose to take on more risk. Like you are playing worse pen so you use the same top bet and spread but at a lower TC along with all your other bets. Basically you are attempting to keep win rate as unaffected as possible while taking on more risk. Since RoR is different both can be bet the same spread optimally with the same top bet but reach the top bet at different TC's.

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    For instance if I want to play thisScreenShot244.jpg
    MaxBet is @3
    I will never double 9 vs 7 ?

    (same Max Bets with Kelly=1 or without surrender)
    Last edited by Phoebe; 11-24-2016 at 01:10 PM.

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    Doesn't matter what RoR to the index generator. It assumes that you will bet optimally to some RoR.
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    What I see is that with a plausible game (see above) RA not allow me to double 9 vs 7.

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    It's the same for 9v7, you have an index for EVmax and for RA w/Max Bet @6, but you don't double down for RA w/Max Bet @3.
    I guess there's something wrong here, where's Don?

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    If you turn off Rational Bets, the max bet is at +4. That is, the actual optimal max bet would be at +4. The index generator assumes you are betting optimally. Genning those indices at Max Bet +4 will give you indices. With max bet at +3, it just doesn't see taking the risk doubling a hand that really isn't that great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJFan View Post
    It's the same for 9v7, you have an index for EVmax and for RA w/Max Bet @6, but you don't double down for RA w/Max Bet @3.
    I guess there's something wrong here, where's Don?
    I just switched to 9 vs 7 in my last posts as it's far less anecdotic.
    Last edited by Phoebe; 11-24-2016 at 01:30 PM. Reason: 7, not 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    If you turn off Rational Bets, the max bet is at +4. Genning those indices at Max Bet +4 will give you indices. With max bet at +3, it just doesn't see taking the risk doubling a hand that really isn't that great.
    So, if I want to play my ramp, I never double 9 vs 7 ? Surprising !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    If you turn off Rational Bets, the max bet is at +4. That is, the actual optimal max bet would be at +4. The index generator assumes you are betting optimally. Genning those indices at Max Bet +4 will give you indices. With max bet at +3, it just doesn't see taking the risk doubling a hand that really isn't that great.
    Where do I turn on or off 'Rational Bets' ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by greg16394 View Post
    Where do I turn on or off 'Rational Bets' ?
    Was for my sim. In CVCX

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