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    Hi-lo running counts

    What are the normal ranges seen in running counts in a Hi-lo counted 8 deck game and 6 deck game? Do most Hi-lo flooring counters divide by whole decks or half-decks and how much is gained by dividing by half decks?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 21MGR View Post
    What are the normal ranges seen in running counts in a Hi-lo counted 8 deck game and 6 deck game? Do most Hi-lo flooring counters divide by whole decks or half-decks and how much is gained by dividing by half decks?


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    Not that it matters, I use Halves. The concepts and answers are exactly the same. I think the standard answer is simply divide by full decks. I tweak that dividing by full decks and then extrapolating the balance. For example, Assume for sake of argument 6 decks with house edge of .5. RC of 6 after first hand is still essentially break even (though I will usually add a unit), an RC of 9 equates to true 1.5 which is absolutely worth an additional unit. Basically, one if the tools to use to identify marginal strength or weakness, or intermediate strength or weakness.

    Now let's add another element to the equation. Your simming on CVCX and flooring is the method used to calculate true count. The sim will usually show your true 1 bet as a multi unit bet. The reason for that, and Norm can correct me if I'm in error, us that the bucket for true 1 incorporates all counts between true 1.00 and 1.99. Lots is gained.

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    This may help:

    "How to Use Frequency Distributions to Determine Your Card Counting Win Rate and Fluctuations (An Excerpt from Beat the 6-Deck Game"

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    What are the normal ranges seen in running counts in a Hi-lo counted 8 deck game and 6 deck game?
    in 8 deck especially running counts of +20 to +30 happen. you will even get double digit true counts every once in a while, especially in a 6 deck game with a deck or less cut off. the frequency of various true counts can be determined by simulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meistro123 View Post
    in 8 deck especially running counts of +20 to +30 happen. you will even get double digit true counts every once in a while, especially in a 6 deck game with a deck or less cut off. the frequency of various true counts can be determined by simulation.
    An easy way of doing this.
    Use CVCX incorporating YOUR most common rules and number of decks. Pick a nice juicy plus count and then play with deck penetration. Note how the count frequencies change. Then, once you know that count frequencies will change, you can determine your true count frequencies by deck penetration.

    One lesson that can be learned from this us the declining frequency of juicy true counts as deck pen worsens. The logical conclusion of that statement is that higher spreads are required to compensate for the less frequent high counts.

    Once you've determined that bet spread needs to be increased on lower deck pen, have a peek as to how that impacts variance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    An easy way of doing this.
    Use CVCX incorporating YOUR most common rules and number of decks. Pick a nice juicy plus count and then play with deck penetration. Note how the count frequencies change. Then, once you know that count frequencies will change, you can determine your true count frequencies by deck penetration.

    One lesson that can be learned from this us the declining frequency of juicy true counts as deck pen worsens. The logical conclusion of that statement is that higher spreads are required to compensate for the less frequent high counts.

    Once you've determined that bet spread needs to be increased on lower deck pen, have a peek as to how that impacts variance.
    Should also add that this should tell the holder of a shoestring bankroll of the importance of quality games. Stronger bankrolls should be able to overcome through brute force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Freighter. Regarding post #2. Hell yes, it matters. Top notch advice. Take It.
    Yeah, I didn't feel like stirring up the count debate.
    1. Extrapolation as outlined improves results.
    2. At the risk of doing so - a stronger count will improve the results if item 1
    3. As long as I'm at it - proper use of indices will improve the results of item 2.
    4. Additional information, in various forms and not normally available, tends to trump all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21MGR View Post
    What are the normal ranges seen in running counts in a Hi-lo counted 8 deck game and 6 deck game? Do most Hi-lo flooring counters divide by whole decks or half-decks and how much is gained by dividing by half decks?
    Use CVData or wait for someone answering you question this way.
    Sorry no computer available to do it.

    I suppose you wanted to say evaluate instead of divide.
    You always divide by remaining decks (integer or fractional).

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