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    What is wrong with this play?

    I was sitting at three base (the last seat) in the Blackjack table. The dealer dealt me a 15 with an 8 as an up card he skipped my turn by accident then turn over a 10 to make it an 18. I told the dealer I didn't go yet I just sat there waiting for my turn. Then the dealer called over the pit boss. He told me to go. I hit my 15 received a 2 to make a total of 17 then I hit my 17 and got a 10 then busted.

    Should I have surrendered that play instead of hitting it since surrendering was available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    I have surrendered that play instead of hitting it since surrendering was available?
    Yes. 7 of 13 ranks bust your hand (all the info you need), 1 pushes your hand, 3 win your hand and 2 has you hitting 16 or 17.

    I would have asked for an option to back out of the hand. Then take the best option available if that is not an option.

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    No you don't surrender. Hard 17 is the only hand you surrender vs 18 for correct hc strat (ignoring cover, which wouldn't apply here). You played it correctly.
    Last edited by mcallister3200; 10-31-2016 at 05:21 PM. Reason: unnecessary reference

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    Don't say anything, you get lucky if he scoops up the cards. Remember, he really doesn't want to call the critter and look bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    Yes. 7 of 13 ranks bust your hand (all the info you need),.
    I there's a BJ game where I get to keep my whole bet on surrender please PM!!!! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    I was sitting at three base (the last seat) in the Blackjack table. The dealer dealt me a 15 with an 8 as an up card he skipped my turn by accident then turn over a 10 to make it an 18. I told the dealer I didn't go yet I just sat there waiting for my turn. Then the dealer called over the pit boss. He told me to go. I hit my 15 received a 2 to make a total of 17 then I hit my 17 and got a 10 then busted.

    Should I have surrendered that play instead of hitting it since surrendering was available?
    forgot to mention - liked the hit on 17. There's always some idiot who won't hit, because they will never hit 17 against dealer 18.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcallister3200 View Post
    I there's a BJ game where I get to keep my whole bet on surrender please PM!!!! lol
    It was a misdeal. You can usually get the option to pull your bet back. Everyone at the table should get the option. I did find that once. The dealer would give me half my bet back and leave the other half in the circle. The next time I saw him they fixed him.
    Quote Originally Posted by mcallister3200 View Post
    No you don't surrender. Hard 17 is the only hand you surrender vs 18 for correct hc strat (ignoring cover, which wouldn't apply here). You played it correctly.
    my bad. It needs to be win 1/4th and lose 3/4ths to hit the surrender threshold. Thanks for the correction. Brain fart.

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    Broad but useful generalization: if the dealer has made 17-18, hit. If the dealer has a made 19-20, surrender.


    This is a good chart, but does not contain surrenders:
    http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/16/
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    4, 5 and 6 give us a win. so that is 3/13 or already 23% chance to win. Surrendering is equal to 25% chance to win. You can also tie with a 3 (should get us another 3.75% or whatever) or get another bite at the apple with an ace or a two. Looks like you made the right plays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    "Should I have surrendered that play instead
    of hitting it since surrendering was available?"
    15 vs. 8 takes (roughly) a +8 True Count to make
    it a correct surrender.
    IF you know, for a fact, that the dealer has an 18,
    then YES, you surrender, but the gain/loss is trivial!
    You should understand that if you have a
    < 25%
    chance of winning the hand you do best to surrender.
    Note ~ I am not including pushes.
    Last edited by ZenMaster_Flash; 11-18-2016 at 03:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    15 vs. 8 takes (roughly) a +8 True Count to make
    it a correct surrender.
    IF you know, for a fact, that the dealer has an 18,
    then YES, you surrender, but the gain/loss is trivial!
    You should understand that if you have a
    < 25%
    chance of winning the hand you do best to surrender.
    Note ~ I am not including pushes.
    Wrong,you don't surrender 15 vs 18 as McAllister said the only hand you surrender against 18 is hard 17.

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    Six-deck and Single-deck surrender tables:

    hcsurr.png

    Modern Blackjack page 482.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndretheGiant View Post
    " ...you don't surrender 15 vs 18 ... the only hand you surrender against 18 is hard 17."
    I said IF you do not know the dealer's down card ...

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