Most important indices for Spanish 21

**Phoebe** · 10-30-2016, 12:31 AM

What are most important indices to compute for Spanish 21 ?
Katarina Walker's book is at home and until now I did not use playing departure.

**stopgambling** · 10-30-2016, 02:26 AM

the most frequent ones and the positive ones i assume. You need to state which version .

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 10-30-2016, 06:56 AM

Just as in ordinary BJ, (Ill 18, Fab4), the plays that are Hit / Stand
at ZERO T.C. or close to ZERO are the most important ones to know.

Insurance one can exclude, because it requires a T.C. that is enormous.

**Phoebe** · 10-30-2016, 08:08 AM

Do you use HiLo with start at TC=-4 (RC=-32) ?

**Phoebe** · 10-30-2016, 08:45 AM

What is Kat's count ?
In book she talk only about hiLo if I well remember.

At the moment, I am studying balanced
+1 for 2-6
-1 for X
-2 for Ace.

Or unbalanced same with +2 for 5

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 10-30-2016, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Philippe B

"Do you use HiLo with start at TC=-4 (RC=-32) ?"

Me? An unbalanced level one count ? I think not (understatement)

I only use advanced counts with a big load of indices

for all (rational) possible hand matchups.

In many cases this means 3,4, or more different Indices depending on various factors.

e.g. The weakest possible situation is having a hard 17 vs. a dealer ACE.

Basic Strategy directs you to surrender, (the only B.S. Surrender) but ...

A sufficiently high T.C. has me standing and a sufficiently low T.C. has me hitting.

How about doubling a soft hand with a hard 17 result, do you surrender (‘rescue’) ?

How about a multi-card hard 17 — when do you hit ?

note: a 5 or 6 card hard 17 or 18 vs Ace is (basic strategy) may in fact be a HIT.

**Freightman** · 10-30-2016, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

Me? An unbalanced level one count ? I think not (understatement)

I only use advanced counts with a big load of indices

for all (rational) possible hand matchups.

In many cases this means 3,4, or more different Indices depending on various factors.

e.g. The weakest possible situation is having a hard 17 vs. a dealer ACE.

Basic Strategy directs you to surrender, (the only B.S. Surrender) but ...

A sufficiently high T.C. has me standing and a sufficiently low T.C. has me hitting.

How about doubling a soft hand with a hard 17 result, do you surrender (‘rescue’) ?

How about a multi-card hard 17 — when do you hit ?

note: a 5 or 6 card hard 17 or 18 vs Ace is (basic strategy) may in fact be a HIT.

I recently returned from a sojourn to the west coast, heading for several hours down to Seattle on personal business. I played in a couple if spots in the middle of spanishland. I was really surprised at the atrocious level f play for such a popular locals type game.

**Phoebe** · 10-30-2016, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Tthree

That's Secret Monkey Count (SMC).

I logically use -2 for Ace because EOR is near double that EOR of X
Same for 5 vs other low cards.

Originally Posted by Tthree

I made a mistake and thought Kat's count (25% of high cards from aces) was SMC (40% of high card tag total is from aces) but I think Kat didn't add to the weight of the ace and just had an unbalanced count that underweighted the ace. Kat's Count is basically hilo unbalanced by the removal of a T rank.

Unbalanced but with TC.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 10-30-2016, 09:46 AM

The "Secret Monkey Count" does not alter the tag for the fives.

**Jabberwocky** · 10-30-2016, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

The "Secret Monkey Count" does not alter the tag for the fives.

My tags for 4-5 are +2 and -2 for T.

**stringer** · 10-30-2016, 09:12 PM

Freightman:
Withour reveiling those details that you might think in-appropriate, would you thus say that the Pacific NorthWest is still a fertile area for SP21 play? As I try to exploit this game, I wonder if this fabled area is still worth travelling to.... can you attempt to share your take on the availability of good games, heat , other considerations and anything else that you found over there???

**stringer** · 10-30-2016, 09:15 PM

Philippe....you better re-locate your copy of Katrina's book.... because 50% of your gain comes from correct playing decision deviations in SP21. In BJ I believe it is something like 13%.

**stringer** · 10-30-2016, 09:36 PM

We all know Flash's position wrt the Kat-Count (unbalanced hi-lo) with 8 deck initial TC of minus 4. I don't want to get into a debate about the merits or non merits of this thing. However, for those of us that use this count BUT keep a seperate side count of Aces I wish to know how you handle this additional information?? S17 game I am talking about.
Lets put forth the 1ST QUESTION: for betting purposes:
Easy example: 8 decks, 4 gone ...you have a RC of -8. TC is -2 of course. HE this game is .40%. You get about .66% gain per unit TC. thus you are about .82% to the good at thiis point. Lets say only 14 Aces are gone (should be avg 16 gone at this juncture). Seems logical to lets say add that extra 2 units to the RC to get -6, for betting purposes. I have never seen this particular point addressed on these boards. What do others do? Who has some thoughts on this? Could there be someone that has actually run some simulations along these lines?