Wong Halves Count

[blueman]

So i typically use hi lo, that's what i learned 2 years ago. Recently, i have been using wong halves when playing double deck. Are the index numbers just the same as hi lo? The only differences i see in wongs book are in higher counts and are minor anyway (ex stand on 16 v 8 hi lo at 7 halves at 8)

Seems like, since i have a ton of index numbers down from hi lo, that i could just easily play using halves. Im a little slower at keeping the count than at hi lo, but that's natural with 3 different card values.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

Unsolicited advice:

Wong Halves is truly excellent if you want strong Betting Correlation,
as in shoe games; but in a DD game you should lean towards one of
the following:

Hi-Opt II, Advanced Omega II, or Zen (in that order of preference)
Those counts have high Playing Efficiency, and that is what you need
to succeed at "pitch games."

[blueman]

Unsolicited advice:

Wong Halves is truly excellent if you want strong Betting Correlation,
as in shoe games; but in a DD game you should lean towards one of
the following:

Hi-Opt II, Advanced Omega II, or Zen (in that order of preference)
Those counts have high Playing Efficiency, and that is what you need
to succeed at "pitch games."

I've been succeeding at pitch games with just simple hi lo.

Is the betting correlation not as strong for halves in double deck? That wouldn't make sense.. but you prefer zen over halves?

[blueman]

I was just thinking that since i already know a ton of index numbers for hi lo that halves would be an immediate ready change. Aren't they like 99% the same indices? I dont see many differences in wongs book

[Freightman]

Unsolicited advice:

Wong Halves is truly excellent if you want strong Betting Correlation,
as in shoe games; but in a DD game you should lean towards one of
the following:

Hi-Opt II, Advanced Omega II, or Zen (in that order of preference)
Those counts have high Playing Efficiency, and that is what you need
to succeed at "pitch games."

You should have seen my super steamer bet playing halves at $25 min game the other day. Pulled out 1k playing 2x500 hitting 2 snappers. It was only +12 true. Such a simple game. Simply lucky I guess. Think the move sorta outed me

What's so complicated?

[Freightman]

You should have seen my super steamer bet playing halves at $25 min game the other day. Pulled out 1k playing 2x500 hitting 2 snappers. It was only +12 true. Such a simple game. Simply lucky I guess. Think the move sorta outed me

What's so complicated?

Oh, halves playing efficiency is also enhanced with side counts, and oh, I've hit double snappers many times, once at table max.

[Freightman]

I've been succeeding at pitch games with just simple hi lo.

Is the betting correlation not as strong for halves in double deck? That wouldn't make sense.. but you prefer zen over halves?

Zen is a good compromise count when playing both pitch and shoe. Halves indices are virtually identical to hi lo. One primary exception is insurance at true 3.2, to account for the 9. Other very minor differences. Flash is referring to his preferred count, hi opt 2, which has both a very high BBC and less, as long as ace side count us used and used properly. Flash also side counts 7's at pitch.

I dont play enough pitch to warrant a second count. I am very satisfied with halves. Some systems play stronger than others. Regardless of that fact, judgement trumps system - and don't grab that other system by the *****

[Freightman]

I was just thinking that since i already know a ton of index numbers for hi lo that halves would be an immediate ready change. Aren't they like 99% the same indices? I dont see many differences in wongs book

If you're so motivated, halves is a natural progression from hi lo. You really don't need to learn new indices. A coup,e if weeks of practice, and the different tag values will become second nature.

As Flash is the go to guy on hi opt 2, I'm the go to guy on halves.

[blueman]

If you're so motivated, halves is a natural progression from hi lo. You really don't need to learn new indices. A coup,e if weeks of practice, and the different tag values will become second nature.

As Flash is the go to guy on hi opt 2, I'm the go to guy on halves.

Is insurance on dd with halves +2.7?

[seriousplayer]

Unsolicited advice:

Wong Halves is truly excellent if you want strong Betting Correlation,
as in shoe games; but in a DD game you should lean towards one of
the following:

Hi-Opt II, Advanced Omega II, or Zen (in that order of preference)
Those counts have high Playing Efficiency, and that is what you need
to succeed at "pitch games."

Advanced Omega II and Hi-opt 2 card counting system is geared towards experienced professional players. Advanced Omega II and Hi-opt 2 are complex systems. I would not recommend it to beginners. But with Zen the creator of the system Arnold Snyder did not leave out the beginners when he was developing his system. The Zen count is simple enough to give you a significant advantage over the casino. In order to use the system you don't have to be a very experience blackjack player.

I would recommend using the Zen count for Double Deck games.

[blueman]

This post wasnt intended on advice on which count to use. It was regarding the halves count and how a hi lo player could transition to it. Seems pretty easy just change the count tags and use the same indices

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"Is the betting correlation not as strong for halves in double deck? ... but you prefer zen over halves?"

The Betting Correlation for Halves is extremely high irrespective of the game.
The Playing efficiency of ZEN may give it an edge over HALVES in a DD game.

[Gramazeka]

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