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    "red" FELT

    What would be penalty for using red 7 principle in FELT ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippe B View Post
    What would be penalty for using red 7 principle in FELT ?
    What's the point? You're already counting another card, the 2, as +1, so what's the big deal to count the 7 that way, also? You want to count the red sevens as +2 as the blacks as 0? Not a very good idea.

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    No, of course.
    Red 2 and 7 as +1
    Black 2 and 7 as 0
    3-6 as +1
    Ace, X as -1

    And all indices divided by 2

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    You want to keep your as level 1 . You will get a lot of error in estimated your edge. I had the same thought last year or so but I doubt it is effective( high standard error ). Instead I just learn for the FELT count. Read a few more good books , they tell you more about how each system works ,pros and cons.

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    I would assume an idea like this ,suited bj pays 6:1 but all other bj pays 1:1. The structure of the game has a higher variance ,but the AVERAGE PAYOUT IS 3:2 , RIGHT?

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    Red 7 did the same (1 for red instead of 0.5 for all)
    What's the difference ?

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    Now you have 2 cards relying on the even distribution of the cards ,go figure . because of variance you need a larger sample for the results to even out. VARIANCE KILLS , doesn't take a genius to understand this point.

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    "Red 7 did the same (1 for red instead of 0.5 for all). What's the difference ?"

    It's a poor idea. Suggest you move on.

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    Thanks.
    I will ignore my CVData sims.

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    According to Gramezeka, who seems to be a great player, this system EBJ 2 is better :
    Count 2 for 2 to 6 and tens and aces, 1 for seven and 9, o for 8.

    https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...ramazeka-EBJ-2

    Slightly more difficult because 5 value (-2 -1 0 1 2) contrary to RPC with 4 value ( -2 0 1 2). So between RPC and halves (6 values -2 -1 0 1 2 3) for the difficulty, and efficacity.

    If true, its just amazing nobody talks about this system.

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    Dis you sim it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippe B View Post
    Dis you sim it ?
    According to Ried's book, for a standard 6-deck game (PA rules, 5/6 pen, 1-10 spread, using I18 and Fab 4 indexes), EBJII had a SCORE of 51.67.

    Per BJA3 (table on page 172), the same game using other counts had the following SCOREs:

    Hi-Lo 47.26, UBZ2 50.98, Zen 51.55, RPC 50.93, AOII 54.61, Hi-OptII 55.96, Halves 54.08, RAPC 54.59
    Last edited by Bigdaddy; 10-24-2016 at 05:22 AM.

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