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    I found a legit copy and its being shipped. Looking forward to receipt.

    I did see a bunch of people selling "notes" on BC. not sure what this was - perhaps a full transcription? It was cheap enough, but I didnt really want to have anything to do with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmm View Post
    I found a legit copy and its being shipped. Looking forward to receipt.

    I did see a bunch of people selling "notes" on BC. not sure what this was - perhaps a full transcription? It was cheap enough, but I didnt really want to have anything to do with that.
    I read the notes, it analyzed the original book and included a lot of tactics. The only thing not as extensive as the original was the hundreds of charts in CAA (the notes had none of the charts, but wizard of odds has many of them now and simple logic rules the day as to how to play various first cards, hole cards and next cards) the notes were very estensive (not a transcript, more like cliff notes). Almost a hundred pages, I think the author is German; as there is no fluff and it is very efficient at under 100 pages. The subjects of visual ballistics, dice control, casino's with good penetration were far more extensive than the book the notes were on (and there were bonus sections on games not covered by Grosjean. Personally, I have read the book and the notes; I would buy both (if available at a reasonable price, $2500 is too much; I got the book for $900 and the notes for $198) and benefit from a third party analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccounter View Post
    I read the notes, it analyzed the original book and included a lot of tactics. The only thing not as extensive as the original was the hundreds of charts in CAA (the notes had none of the charts, but wizard of odds has many of them now and simple logic rules the day as to how to play various first cards, hole cards and next cards) the notes were very estensive (not a transcript, more like cliff notes). Almost a hundred pages, I think the author is German; as there is no fluff and it is very efficient at under 100 pages. The subjects of visual ballistics, dice control, casino's with good penetration were far more extensive than the book the notes were on (and there were bonus sections on games not covered by Grosjean. Personally, I have read the book and the notes; I would buy both (if available at a reasonable price, $2500 is too much; I got the book for $900 and the notes for $198) and benefit from a third party analysis.
    What games are in the bonus section That are not covered by Grosjean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndretheGiant View Post
    What games are in the bonus section That are not covered by Grosjean?
    probably not the wisest idea to talk about this in this format.

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    Chemin De Fer, Shortie Sidebet, Caribbean draw poker. Specific techniques that Grosjean only alluded to, locations of bj games with high penetration (even low minimum games). There's a lot, I'm probably forgetting something.

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    Picked up a copy of the notes for 100 on ebay.

    Should be a lot of new info for me.

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    I thought the notes contained some voodoo thinking....such as quitting while ahead (not related to rebates) ...anyone else think author had some voodism in there ?

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    I saw those notes and if I paid $100 for them I would be pissed. First of all the guy who did them has like 10 Kindle books on all kinds of voodoo. Second, he obviously has no understanding of the material in CAA since he left out most of the important stuff or glossed over it. Third, as Smallcap mentioned he has a bunch of voodoo on dice control etc.

    One thing I thought very funny was that Exhibit CAA has hundreds of charts. He copied 2 (a clear copyright violation) into his notes, and they are 2 of the least important in the book.

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    I bought the notes and it wasn't worth it at all. There were a load of typos, virtually no insight, and I found myself getting angry at the gamble I had just lost by paying for the notes.
    "There is no passion to be found playing small, in settling for a life that is less than the one you are capable of living."

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    Well that kind of blows.

    Should have consulted here first.

    Sigh, oh well.

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    Look,

    i am still very green In ap but I am coming to realize that if u r a true student of AP you need to read everything....even if some stuff might blow ...u never know when u might stumble upon something that might trigger that light bulb in Ur head to go off... u just never know so I read everything...I also have no life so that might help as well!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smallcapgrowth View Post
    if u r a true student of AP you need to read everything
    Reading huge amounts is certainly valuable, at all levels of play. If there is a hint that something is valuable, read it. But, I’m sure you meant “everything” within some boundaries. 99.99% (as an adjective) of gambling books and sites have negative value.

    The ads for this particular book bothered me on two levels. First, an unknown claiming that he was “expanding” on JG’s work. Second, the claim that he was not violating copyright or law. If someone takes the time to claim that they are not violating copyright – it is almost certain that they are.
    "I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse

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    Thanks for the opinions. When Munchkin and Tilton concur, I pay attention. "Virtually no insight!"

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