Increasing Forced Dealer Errors

[Freightman]

How can it be cheating if a player alternates between playing one hand or two?.As long as its done before the dealer has dealt a card. I don't agree with this and I think it's a bad thing to do but I don't think it's actually cheating.

Once is an oops, however, there is an intent to deceive, therefore to defraud, and that's cheating

[hitthat16]

Didn't Don Johnson win by forcing dealer errors?

[AndretheGiant]

Once is an oops, however, there is an intent to deceive, therefore to defraud, and that's cheating

So in your opinion then what Phil Ivey did was cheating?

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"Didn't Don Johnson win by forcing dealer errors?"

That is one of the myths promulgated by Mr. J.

Dealer errors were not plausible because several suits were always present.

[Freightman]

So in your opinion then what Phil Ivey did was cheating?

That was manipulation, not cheating. Like Trump using bankruptcy laws to advance his own position. There was a negotiation - clearly one party if the negotiation was far smarter than the other. Trump describes it as using leverage. Once the parameters of the negotiation were agreed to, the cards were dealt.

OP is purposely trying to get the dealer to misstep to his advantage.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"So in your opinion then what Phil Ivey did was cheating?"

The only PRO-IVEY stream of logic that holds any weight is this:

The "cheating" statutes were too vague and very poorly written into law.

The only ANTI-IVEY stream of logic that holds any weight is this:

Having the dealer 'turn' the cards for you is obvious collusion, ergo cheating.

[AndretheGiant]

The only PRO-IVEY stream of logic that holds any weight is this:

The "cheating" statutes were too vague and very poorly written into law.

The only ANTI-IVEY stream of logic that holds any weight is this:

Having the dealer 'turn' the cards for you is obvious collusion, ergo cheating.

The dealers were instructed by the highest level ie,casino manager to turn the cards,no more collusion than having dealers deal 5.5 out of 6 decks .
It is the dealers job to scan the layout before dealing.If a player is constantly jumping in and out the dealer needs to take control and push the players late bet out of the betting circle. After the 2nd time the floor should be notified. Again I don't condone this but just don't consider it cheating.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"The dealers were instructed by the highest level i.e. casino manager to turn the cards, no more collusion than having dealers deal 5.5 out of 6 decks .
It is the dealers job to scan the layout before dealing.If a player is constantly jumping in and out the dealer needs to take control and push the players late bet out of the betting circle. After the 2nd time the floor should be notified."

Clearly you do not fully understand Ivey's methodology.
He demanded Chinese dealers who spoke Mandarin.
His female partner VERBALLY directed the dealer to spin
the 8's and 9's and make them a little visible at the head
of the shoe. so that he could bet huge sums on 'Player' if
the first card was an 8 or a 9 otherwise betting on "Bank"

[AndretheGiant]

Clearly you do not fully understand Ivey's methodology.
He demanded Chinese dealers who spoke Mandarin.
His female partner VERBALLY directed the dealer to spin
the 8's and 9's and make them a little visible at the head
of the shoe. so that he could bet huge sums on 'Player' if
the first card was an 8 or a 9 otherwise betting on "Bank"

I completely understand Iveys methodology and as i said the dealers were allowed to do this by the casino manager,believing it was superstition. I was well aware of the Ivey play long before it was public.

[Zetetic]

If the bet is placed prior to the cards being dealt, it is technically compliant with house rules in most casinos. Therefore, not cheating. Definitely viewed as a "cheap shot" by most dealers and bosses, though. Because of this it will likely lead to increased heat.

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[Stealth]

Down side does not seem apparent yet.

It is not the pit you must worry about, it is the EITS!

The down side is that past posting is a criminal offense. Not sure you will like the negative EV.

[RS]

If I read this correctly, player bets 1 hand most rounds and if he wants to do the trick, make another bet (i.e.: bet 2 hands) before a card is dealt, thus dealer likely skipping over one hand, causing a misdeal.

Cheap shot? Yeah.

Illegal? I can't see how....

[20 to 1 Spread]

If I read this correctly, player bets 1 hand most rounds and if he wants to do the trick, make another bet (i.e.: bet 2 hands) before a card is dealt, thus dealer likely skipping over one hand, causing a misdeal.

Cheap shot? Yeah.

Illegal? I can't see how....

Dammit my phone keeps deleting posts when I try to update.

Basically rolling stone wrote my thoughts. I don't believe I am breaking any laws, unless you can name one. It's also important to note, I'm not spreading to two hands merely to get a misdeal. I'm doing it because it's +EV for me to do so. I'm basically playing normal BJ, except taking a bit longer on my second bet.

What law does this break?