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    Increasing Forced Dealer Errors

    So recently I've noticed I was getting away with a "late posting" bet at 3rd base and anchor. Before the dealer goes for the card pull and they are facing first base, I quickly snap a bet out on anchor (my initial bet will be on third). As they are robots, they just assume it was the same and pass the hands to third and jumping to themselves. This causes the misdeal and the option to surrender my hands for free.

    1) I assume will/may result heat on myself. So far, the pit boss just said go and made no note of the dealer or me. Has occurred once per session so far. Seems like super +EV for my max bets. Down side does not seem apparent yet.

    2) what are your techniques to increase forced dealer errors? I assume this in itself, is pretty uncommon for most APs?

    PS - got the idea from a few days ago + roulette late posting scams
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    Not cheating ?

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    If you did it by accident and the PB rules in your favor, then ok.
    If you did it on purpose then probably cheating. So by definition not AP.

    If I am a vengeful casino boss, I will let you try this many times and then call in the cops.

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    As you said you will probably get away with it once, if u do it more than once with the same dealer, that dealer will remember you .
    Also now the floor or pit has to come over to the table.You are drawing unwanted attention, if this is a place you play frequently you will become known as a shot taker.
    Also to me 3rd base and anchor are the same thing.

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    Is this really cheating? Obviously I'm taking advantage of the fact that the dealer doesn't announce "no more bets" each round in BJ. And casuals always do it, the dealer stops mid way of the first card, and generally allows. Same situation. Before the hand goes for the shoe tray, I put my bet out.

    What law am I breaking? It's not like I'm posting the bet after I see first base dealt cards. However as one mentioned, the PB does need to come over. But I figured doing this on a max bet, may or may not be worth it dependent on your heat.

    Sorry if I'm ignorant. If this is really jail worthy, I gotta stop. But I don't assume that's the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20 to 1 Spread View Post
    Is this really cheating?

    Sorry if I'm ignorant. If this is really jail worthy, I gotta stop. But I don't assume that's the case.
    Yes, it's cheating
    No, I dont care that you're ignorant on the matter
    Yes, it is jail worthy
    No, ignorance of the law is not an excuse
    Assumption, improperly deduced, is the mother of downfall.

    Brief, and to the point - oh - and subtle

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    I have had situations when I have went to two hands and the dealer went right on by it and kept dealing. Guess what, they just ignored my hand and moved on. No chance to back out. If they don't kick you out for your shenanigans, they might start just ignoring your added hand altogether. Why draw attention to yourself when you have a max bet out. That's the worst time to draw attention.

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    Unless you are a moral-bankrupt, this unethical behavior is obvious.

    If cheating is acceptable to you, then please do not let the door hit

    you in the ass on the way out. You are not welcome here (or anywhere.)


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    If you have to ask(cheating?) , don't ask . Why would you want the casino to view you as a cheat. . Even using other "advanced" techniques gets you treated like a crook ,imagined doing what you just said repeatedly.

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    As long as you're putting out the extra hand or reducing to one hand before the dealer starts dealing it's not cheating. It will cause you problems eventually though,in my opinion just not worth the exposure.

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    Legality is moot and subject to debate.

    [De gustibus non est disputandum.]

    Ethics and morality trump criminality and poor judgement.


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    Sounds like cheating, and illegal, to me. Really don't think this is a matter of gustibus.
    "I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse

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    How can it be cheating if a player alternates between playing one hand or two?.As long as its done before the dealer has dealt a card. I don't agree with this and I think it's a bad thing to do but I don't think it's actually cheating.

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