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    Lost again at Harrahs LOLOL

    Hahahha. And they say casinos don't cheat. Yeah they sure don't. About 3-4 more monster count shoes that I played and get clobbered. What is that now, about 10 straight monster count shoes i havent won? LOL too funny. They got a 6 deck game with a 1 deck pen cutoff sometimes half a deck amd S17, DAS, LS. My SCORE is over 130 and i never win LOL.

    I'm using close to full indices wong halves. And dealer must have broke 2 times in all 4 of those shoes today TOTAL. I got maybe one blackjack only in all the positive shoes i played and now have dropped about 15k in less than 100 hours playing 2x50(+1) 2x250 (+5). What is that now? -3SD? LOL. Yea they sure dont cheat alright. During these 100 hours I can probably count on my one hand how many blackjacks I've gotten.

    Total earnings for the year is now 8500 LOL. And if I had my low stakes log that I kept in 2014 my total win is +10500 LOL. Nice right? My EV should be over 35k just for this year with the hours I have played and I'm at 8500 hahhha. The way it goes is I win everywhere else to offset every time I come here. Thank the lord I've been able to win pretty much everywhere else I've played. What irks me the most is if I'm indeed getting cheated, I now feel I have to work twice hard to offset the cheating and now am due for some bad variance from other casinos. That's what irks me the most. Yes I know you're never 'due' for anything, but its absolutely killing me my mental state not knowing if I'm being cheated.

    Good job harrahs, I now have lost every monster count shoe I have played there. No blackjacks ever, dealer gets 21 every time, dealer never breaks, dealer has a ten showing 95% of the time. Keep stacking the deck harrahs, maybe one day you'll fan the cards face up. I'm glad money means that much to you. Too funny, gaming commission should be there shortly.
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    You played less than 100 hours , i think that is the problem. I lost almost as much as you in 10 hours , Nothing I can do. You are getting emotional about meANS IT HURTS . yOU SHOULD PLAY SMALLER OR GET USED TO IT OR BE MORE PREPARED emotionally. hit the caop key by mistake.

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    There is nothing of value in the post. We have heard all this before.

    Generally, this kind of crying comes from those who are under banked and over betting. The do not trust the math, they EXPECT to win and when they don't, they are cheated!

    "No blackjacks ever, dealer gets 21 every time, dealer never breaks, dealer has a ten showing 95% of the time." This is the type of bullshit that comes from a gambler.

    This thread needs to be moved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stopgambling View Post
    You played less than 100 hours , i think that is the problem. I lost almost as much as you in 10 hours , Nothing I can do. You are getting emotional about meANS IT HURTS . yOU SHOULD PLAY SMALLER OR GET USED TO IT OR BE MORE PREPARED emotionally. hit the caop key by mistake.
    What you don't understand is that its not 100 hours, I have over 500 hours betting on avg 2x50 - 200 and now recently 2x250 and nothing really to show for it. A measley +8500 LOL. I should have over 35k. Gotta love either being cheated or being born on the opposite side of the bell curve. That's when you know you're the best, God has to make everything go wrong for you to even out the competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    There is nothing of value in the post. We have heard all this before.

    Generally, this kind of crying comes from those who are under banked and over betting. The do not trust the math, they EXPECT to win and when they don't, they are cheated!

    "No blackjacks ever, dealer gets 21 every time, dealer never breaks, dealer has a ten showing 95% of the time." This is the type of bullshit that comes from a gambler.

    This thread needs to be moved.
    Yea I'm under banked alright. I guess a ROR of 0.4% means youre underbanked while also playing the best possible shoe games in the country.
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    I keep going back because I try to keep telling myself, no way a big corporation would cheat these days. Also it's to help my mental state. I feel like if i dont get at least one more win there, im wasting all my hard work everywhere else while im just donating money to the cheating casino. Does that make sense? I feel like i have to work twice as hard because i dont know if ive been cheated so i try to go and recoup at least one more win to ease my mind and never return there again, problem is that win is never coming and am now close to 3SD down at that store.

    Yea I released the news on harrahs about their great game, i dont care, im just mad to the point where releasing that info doesnt bother me especially since im not crushing the game. CBJN is close on the conditions there anyway and i think any savvy CBJN reader realizes when a casino on there says 1.5 pen cutoff its probably more around 1 deck cutoff or even better.

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    I will make sure never to network with you. Don't you consider others or do you want people to out your favorite games because they got backed off or can't win there. You are being really short sighted. You may just be suffering from what goes around comes around. Thinking about others before yourself always seems to have those that follow the creed landing on their feet while those greedy bastards that never think of others never seem to get what they really want.

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    This tread needs to end. Nooorm?

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    LoneWolf, you need to take your meds.
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    You seem to have problems. Getting cheated (whether it's true or not) is not one of those problems.

    If you're truly getting cheated, contact a gaming office for that area and file a complaint or whatever (idk how that works). Or if you don't want to do that, quit going to the casino. People might take you seriously if you didn't fly off the hinges.


    If it makes you feel any better about your -3 SD loss, I'm on the opposite side of that right now, close to +3 SD.
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    I tend to stay near EV. I will beat it for a long time and have a correction to close to it and then start increasing my average hourly again until my next correction. I prefer to think not in terms of hourly but in terms of trips. It makes figuring in expenses easier to get the true value of your play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stopgambling View Post
    You played less than 100 hours , i think that is the problem. I lost almost as much as you in 10 hours , Nothing I can do. You are getting emotional about meANS IT HURTS . yOU SHOULD PLAY SMALLER OR GET USED TO IT OR BE MORE PREPARED emotionally. hit the caop key by mistake.
    This made me chuckle at my office. Not the content, but the "I hit the caps" and just left it! I'm sure the others wonder what is so funny at 8 am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poolpro2013 View Post
    This made me chuckle at my office. Not the content, but the "I hit the caps" and just left it! I'm sure the others wonder what is so funny at 8 am.
    I noticed it and thought it indicated a pattern of not correcting ones own mistakes, even when they are noticed. It fits with his history and may be his problem.

    I keep indicating to him this is a great chance to increase his game. When these things happen you can't be sure as to why. You know it can be variance, you are making mistakes or there is something about the casino that has an effect on you that you have yet to understand. He simply dismisses all of them. The point is you don't know so you try to improve everything in hopes of hitting the issue and if it is just variance you have improved your game and analyzed casino procedures for strengths but also weaknesses. The latter is an important skill to the AP. It is a thought process that must be explored because it doesn't come naturally for most. Whatever you learn is a permanent improvement to game selection and exploiting opportunities as well as the start to developing one of the most important AP skills. Of course if you figure out how to improve your game or make mistakes less likely by modifying your procedures you do all the time at the casinos, it is a permanent improvement that reaps you rewards from then on.

    When I tried to minimize the likelihood of mistakes, I realized keeping 2 values in my head and doing the work to combine them mathematically on a temporary basis and doing a TC conversion and then going back to the two numbers is a potential source of confusion. I got rid of the math. I realized i knew the sum of any 2 RC's without actually adding them so when I though -3 and +18 in knew it was +15 without stopping thinking about -3 and +18. For the TC conversion I learned all the multiples of any integer that would be a divisor. I would see a number string of multiples and would know what multiple each number was from elementary school permit. While thinking -3 +18 I would see where that (+15) fits into the number string and note the appropriate multiple. If my deck estimate was a half deck I would see a string of twice the multiples with pips that represented the halfway points. The same approach applied but the multiples were the ben multiples and the pips were the odd multiples. That meant instead of doing all that math in my head while trying to remember the numbers I am tracking I just know the answer I seek while continually thinking about the count. The laborious math that was distracting and took some time even though it was minimal was now basically instantaneous without distracting from the numbers I track. For index plays I see the multiple of the index that corresponds to current number of decks unseen and compare it to the appropriate number. One could argue that is math but if you understand the first concept it is the same thing only more specific. It is again instantaneous recognition of your play.

    So because I had what was most likely bad variance, I changed my procedure for deciding plays to something that is more accurate, much faster and won't get tired and make mistakes. Plus I am know always thinking about the 2 numbers so I will never lose track or get confused which was the only goal at the start of modifying my procedures to make TC decisions.
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