Sim Results ,please verified

[stopgambling]

1. DD ,50%pen( worst case scenario) h17 das spread 1-20 ,quarter deck estimate.
2. tc 1 ,4units
3. tc 2 ,6units
4. tc 3 ,12units
5. tc 4 ,18 units
6. tc 5, 20 units

^{I got a score of about score42 , did i sim it correctly ?}

[Bodarc]

What's your count strategy Stopgambling?

[Stealth]

Sim Results ,please verified

DD ,50%pen( worst case scenario) h17 das spread 1-20 ,quarter deck estimate.
tc 1 ,4units
tc 2 ,6units
tc 3 ,12units
tc 4 ,18 units
tc 5, 20 units

Exceptionally bad game (I would win by not playing with that pen). IMHO not worth the corresponding surveillance risk that will most assuredly accompany the spread. The frequency of positive situation will be anemic at best. Surveillance data bases are full of these people on DD.

[MJGolf]

Ok Stealth:

Being as there are LIMITED DD games in our jurisdiction. Both H17. One has good pen; the other barely over 50%, what is maximum spread you would recommend to keep heat cooled down? Would you recommend a sort of Grifter's Gambit strategy to get more $ into play at better counts? 1-6? Or keep it at 1-4?

[DSchles]

You don't mention count system, indices, etc. Assuming Hi-Lo, I18, SCORE is just under 37.

As usual, no one answers your question.

Don

[Freightman]

Ok Stealth:

Being as there are LIMITED DD games in our jurisdiction. Both H17. One has good pen; the other barely over 50%, what is maximum spread you would recommend to keep heat cooled down? Would you recommend a sort of Grifter's Gambit strategy to get more $ into play at better counts? 1-6? Or keep it at 1-4?

It really DEPENDS, to quote Ryemo from an earlier post today. Case in point - 3 recent dd games played recently (and I'm not a dd player)

Store 1
True sweat house centre cut lousy rules caught attention with a 1-2 parlay at a $25 table. I lasted 7 minutes - thought I would have some fun under double scrutiny when I jumped from 100 to 150. Critter ejaculated before collapsing on the table. I suppose you could call it come 1 come all - sorry bout that.

Store 2
Reputed to be a sweat shop, but wasn't - 50-60% cards played, lousy rules got up to max 15-1 spread with absolutely no visible hear. Joint wasn't used to semi large cash outs which was noted when cashier said wow- congratulations.

Store 3
Excellent rules, worst pen 1 dealer at 60%, rest at min 75% dealt, usually better. Personal critter plus backup critter. Every hand scrutinized and watched both respectful - very modest 1-4 sometimes 5 spread $25 units.

So - it DEPENDS. Will definitely go back to stores 2&3. Advice, as local stores, probe slowly at the deeper pen. Dont know all of the rules, but deep pen makes up for a lot of transgressions. Make sure the 2 stores don't communicate. At lousier pen store, Spread more to start, but don't go overboard until you fill in the missing communication blank.

[MJGolf]

Thanks Freight. They don't communicate. Two different casino "owners". And spread is relative because at green chips, those spreads are tolerated. If you are equating single green with each unit. But if you increase beyond that you will have a great deal of attention..........though hidden WAB (wild ass betting) doesn't seem to cause as much concern if it's parlaying or looks like you are chasing. But our table limits on top end are NOT what many across country see (especially in Vegas/Tunica/Reno. They are relatively low.

My apologies to Don for not answering the Score question and "subverting the thread a bit"

[Freightman]

...though hidden WAB (wild ass betting) doesn't seem to cause as much concern if it's parlaying or looks like you are chasing"

There are profitable strategies that can be used here, depending on strength of roll.

[Three]

You don't mention count system, indices, etc. Assuming Hi-Lo, I18, SCORE is just under 37.

As usual, no one answers your question.

I didn't answer because he didn't give enough info to answer but a post of a sim that showed SCORE in the high 30's was the first response. For some reason it has been deleted. Perhaps the person figured nobody would use Hilo in a crappy DD game.

[stopgambling]

Thanks guys , Hi lo was the count. All info is slightly altered for good reason. Every little bit of EV adds up.

[Phoebe]

I didn't answer because he didn't give enough info to answer but a post of a sim that showed SCORE in the high 30's was the first response. For some reason it has been deleted. Perhaps the person figured nobody would use Hilo in a crappy DD game.

Was this:
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[Stealth]

Being as there are LIMITED DD games in our jurisdiction. Both H17. One has good pen; the other barely over 50%, what is maximum spread you would recommend to keep heat cooled down? Would you recommend a sort of Grifter's Gambit strategy to get more $ into play at better counts? 1-6? Or keep it at 1-4?

First of all, we must all have our thresholds for play. Mine is how to get the most money down in positive situations and with minimal risk of BO.

Being in a market that does not have a game that meets my threshold is reason to travel to find one that is, not reason to construct a better betting structure with a bit of cover that aggravates the surveillance issue.

If you tell me the game is a SCORE 37 but I have ZERO HEAT and I can bang away then I will play (assuming there are no better games available), recognizing some increased variance over better pen games. In that case I would show them two bets one at below TC 1 and another max bet that I flat bet at all counts of TC => 2. In a green chip game I would likely play 2X25 (assuming allowed) and flat bet at 2X150 in the positives. Yes, it requires a bankroll to support it and it likely causes "checks play" but what will the pit see afterward. I will flat bet until end of shoe (or dropped count past -1) or get out of shoe and seek better pastures or potty break and return latter. If you start "ramping" then your visibility increases exponentially as they have many more rounds to watch your move your bet with the count. There is no hiding that I jumped my bet at TC2 but I can reduce the number of bet change occurrences. Bet levels (not their application) may vary based on casino tolerances.

At any case, you are playing with fire on DD.

[Bodarc]

MJGolf[/B];201181]Would you recommend a sort of Grifter's Gambit strategy to get more $ into play at better counts? 1-6? Or keep it at 1-4?

You can not set one rule for all casinos. Every one is different and you just have to feel out what you can get away with. I play DD regularly and can spread from 10 to 2X75 or 25 to 2X125 if it is crowded and people are busy with no problems. Now I know if I bet 100 to 2X400 I'm going to get heat at these particular casinos. You have to find the level they will tolerate.