Marked player's card

**beta** · 08-22-2016, 01:02 PM

Some of my player's cards are marked, meaning that if I use them the computer informs the pit boss that I am a card counter, and they immediately take countermeasures against me.

I have some other situations where I might have a marked card, but I am not sure. Do you believe I am safe to play rated in these two situations:

1) There was a place where I was playing unrated, never had a player's card there. The pit bosses asked for driver's license several times (and I provided it several times). Then they finally started to take countermeasures. I went back a few weeks later and played craps for a couple minutes. They ID'd me at craps and when they ran my license through the computer, they gave me some fishy looks.
However, at a casino in another city with the same name and owned by the same company, I got a players card and have played rated there a few times since then with no problems. In a conversation with the lady at the rewards desk, I asked, "Can I use this card at other casinos?" She explained that I couldn't yet because they were the last property that was still not connected to the universal system. They should be connected and I should be able to start using the card everywhere in summer 2016. So now I am wondering: Since they are probably connected now, will my player's card be marked at all of their properties (since the one place ID'd me when I had no player's card), or will it not be marked anywhere since I didn't have a player's card when I got ID'd, or will it only be marked at the one property where they ID'd me?

2) In this second situation I never had and still don't have a player's card at any of their properties. I went to the casino and played unrated there a few times with no problems. Then one day I got backed off at the one other casino in that town (which was owned by a different company). After my backoff I went back to the first casino where I never had problems. I had a bunch of $500 chips from a previous trip in my pocket. I went to the high limit room and bet one of my purple chips mid-shoe without any back counting (this kind of thing had never been a problem before.) Then, enough small cards came out to get positive EV on subsequent hands, so I just bet $500 chips for a few more hands (no bet variation at all). I lost several hands and was down about $3000. The pit boss whispered to the dealer, "Cut the next one in half." I played a couple more hands and left. I was quite confused since I gave no counting tells there at all.
I went back the next day at a different shift. As I was walking to the high limit table and getting ready to sit down, the dealer was quietly trying to warn me with a freaked out look on her face. I didn't hear exactly what she said because she was too quiet. I decided to just bet $25 minimum. The count went way up, but I kept my bet at $25 the whole shoe because the pit boss was glaring at me hard the whole time. I left after the one shoe and haven't played there since. They did not ID me there except maybe at the door. I guess maybe the other unaffiliated casino in that town must have shared a photo of me or something. This was seven months ago. I would guess that I should be fine if I go back there now to play unrated. But if I get a player's card for the first time there, will it be marked? What if I get a player's card at an affiliated property in another city? Would I be marked at all their properties now if I get a card?

**Three** · 08-22-2016, 01:29 PM

You never know how they do their inner workings. The safe play is to assume your name and face are burned and avoid using your name and try to change your look.

**ZeeBabar** · 08-22-2016, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Tthree

You never know how they do their inner workings. The safe play is to assume your name and face are burned and avoid using your name and try to change your look.

Course if they know your car license plate, your changed looks may not help you much.

**jacktheblack** · 08-22-2016, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

Course if they know your car license plate, your changed looks may not help you much.

He meant driver lisance not plate I believe.

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**Three** · 08-22-2016, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by jacktheblack

He meant driver lisance not plate I believe.

No, license plate recognition software is big in lots of areas. Some AP's park near the casino and take a cab to a from the casino.

**jacktheblack** · 08-22-2016, 02:40 PM

Or rent a car maybe ?

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**ZenMaster_Flash** · 08-22-2016, 02:51 PM

Rental Car ?

You obviously must think that the car rental

company is going to keep your name confidential.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 08-22-2016, 02:55 PM

beta,

It sounds to me that your name and face are certainly
posted in the BJ pit's podium at your local casinos.

Please stop referring to your (player's) card as being
"marked"; as that usage is very strange indeed.

**BJGenius007** · 08-22-2016, 03:36 PM

If you are a counter, why would you apply a player's card in the first place?

**Stealth** · 08-22-2016, 04:15 PM

First of all, the casinos internal practices related to players cards are unique to the casino with some caveat to that if they are in a chain (Harrah's). Even then they have "corporate" level guidance and local level guidance. So trying to answer your questions regarding how they will treat you is not practical without a Ouija Board and entering a seance with their management.

BTW, playing rated will get you nothing but misery in the long term unless you intend to use it to be a disposable big player. Give up the comps and concentrate on how to win without detection.

If you want comps, go cross bet craps or baccarat with a friend and acquire that at or near zero house edge. Or play some video poker and beat their slot clubs if possible and if you have the skill set required. Otherwise, I am sorry but blackjack is not the place to seek comps.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 08-22-2016, 05:17 PM

Excellent "Words of Wisdom" from Stealth.

**BJGenius007** · 08-22-2016, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Stealth

First of all, the casinos internal practices related to players cards are unique to the casino with some caveat to that if they are in a chain (Harrah's). Even then they have "corporate" level guidance and local level guidance. So trying to answer your questions regarding how they will treat you is not practical without a Ouija Board and entering a seance with their management.

BTW, playing rated will get you nothing but misery in the long term unless you intend to use it to be a disposable big player. Give up the comps and concentrate on how to win without detection.

If you want comps, go cross bet craps or baccarat with a friend and acquire that at or near zero house edge. Or play some video poker and beat their slot clubs if possible and if you have the skill set required. Otherwise, I am sorry but blackjack is not the place to seek comps.

I have only one player's card for Las Vegas. I stayed there and played most slot machines and video poker. If I played BJ in that casino, I will only spread 4 to 1 in shoe game, mostly flat bet. Doing this just to get a free lodging. Since LV is usually a 7 day long trip for me, I can spare 3% or 5% of my playing time doing this.

**ZeeBabar** · 08-22-2016, 05:40 PM

My question related to playing unrated is whether it can protect you as technology gets more advanced? Could they not take a picture without you knowing it, label you rat face or some code, decide you are a skilled counter and share it with all other properties. They probably do not even need to know your name. You, an unrated player without a players card, come in and they back you off shortly because they have your picture as a card counter.

Maybe they decide that anyone who spreads more than 1-5 gets a picture taken for scrutiny whenever you play at one of their properties?

Maybe a day will come when the only way to beat them is team play.