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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    Until you can prove they DONT cheat, i dont know why you completely eliminate the possibility. From what I have seen so far, there is something bizarre going on in PA and others seem to agree. Go play there for yourselves and let me know. Only ones that are naive eliminate the possibility of cheating. I just dont see how a casino can get caught cheating if they do it properly. How is anyone gonna find out? They dont even lay out the cards on the table face up. Thats already one red flag. No one on the inside is going to know besides upper management so that eliminates another way of getting caught. Pit bosses and dealers dont see the cards, pit bosses dont know if the ASMs were programmed, no one knows anything, they just put the cards in the box when it's time for a new pack of cards to come in and then remove the tape off the new box of cards and remove the cards without looking at them face up. Regarding ASMs, all they do is push a button when it's a red or green light. No one knows anything. Gaming commission can only see so much through cameras as well. It's completely naive to think casinos dont and wouldnt contemplate cheating to have an even greater edge and destroy all counters in the process.
    The proof is I play the same stores and have no trouble inning. Either you are wrong or your person makes casinos hate you so they only try to cheat you.
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    It's completely naive to think casinos dont and wouldnt contemplate cheating to have an even greater edge and destroy all counters in the process.
    The trouble is they only destroy you. The other AP's I know that play the same stores do quite well there. That should tell you what you should be looking at and it isn't the casinos cheating you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    The proof is I play the same stores and have no trouble inning. Either you are wrong or your person makes casinos hate you so they only try to cheat you.

    The trouble is they only destroy you. The other AP's I know that play the same stores do quite well there. That should tell you what you should be looking at and it isn't the casinos cheating you.
    That's funny because it's obviously not me. I have crushed other stores in the past especially this one store where they eventually just recently backed me off. Im competent, i know im doing everything right, ive tested myself on casino verite to make sure, but every single time i play at these stores i never win a monster count, i never win period. Maybe 2 wins out of 10 trips is the ratio to each of these stores. There's something bizarre going on there. From my all time high this year, i have now given back 2/3 of it and am left with 1/3 of my profit. I was up about 25k part time after about 350 hours and the last 100 hours or so i have given back about 17k and it's mostly due to these two stores that i hardly played at before, but because of my recent backoff, i dont have many stores to play at. So what do you know, i start playing these two same stores and get crushed. Go figure. Someone call the gaming commission before i do.

    Also can someone please tell me why these casinos dont fan their cards face up? What damage could it possibly do by just showing everyone the cards? Are they hiding something? Complete utter bull$hit. If I ever find out they're cheating me, someone is gonna pay dearly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    That's funny because it's obviously not me. I have crushed other stores in the past especially this one store where they eventually just recently backed me off.
    That's what happens when you play. You biggest losses come in monster counts. Rare events can stack up. You see everything if you play long enough. You start getting some actual time under your belt and start seeing what is possible and you feel cheated rather than chaulk it up to the expected variance.

    Think of it like driving. For the most part the roads are pretty equal when it comes to likelihood of an accident. No reason to see more accidents close to home. Bit within miles of your home is where accident likelihood goes up. The reason is simple. Most of your driving is done close to home so naturally you see the worst more frequently there.

    Your task is very simple. You need to learn the non counting aspects of the game. You are too busy thinking you have been cheated to figure out what is really behind your results. I have had my ass kicked badly by the stores with the best games. It is expected and some of them I have never won overall. These places tend to be sweaty so I never win that much before leaving. I have struggled to not lose there so I have posted bigger losses. The formula I set up increased the likelihood I would fail over time. I allowed no big wins except those that came in one advantage shoe and allowed big losses and even increased their likelihood by my exit strategy. Every big loss came because I stayed long after I should have left. After all these places are sweaty. I figured it out and adjusted things and I still didn't make much overall but those rare huge losses stopped. 3 of my 4 biggest losses came at one such place. All came after I played much longer than was wise because I wanted to make it back and with such great rules and pen I thought it would be easy. It doesn't work that way. The other loss was my biggest and came in one very nasty shoe at another place that gave good pen. I did well there for a long time before the worm turned so I visited there more frequently. Eventually the other side of the coin fell and results there became tougher. I visited it less often and was hitting the ones I was doing well at more often.

    The point is you have 2 things going on. One is that each store will have variance and seem to run hot and cold. The other is the way you plan to leave the casino will shape results. There is a good chance your exit strategy is the reason. You have inadvertently increased the odds of posting a big loss on any given day. Some of my best stores look like a counters worst nightmare. Almost all CSMs, discard tray covers etc. But what makes it so good also makes a CSM quite profitable. Fortunately I get them to open a shoe game when I come. I call ahead and if it isn't already open or will not be opened because I am on my way I don't go. Sometimes things don't go the way they should and I find a dealer I like and crush the CSM. If there are no good dealers I leave without playing. It is usually very crowded since it is the only shoe game open but I could beat it flat betting so why does it matter. The point is you should be spending your time increasing your edge that has nothing to do with counting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    That's what happens when you play. You biggest losses come in monster counts. Rare events can stack up. You see everything if you play long enough. You start getting some actual time under your belt and start seeing what is possible and you feel cheated rather than chaulk it up to the expected variance.

    Think of it like driving. For the most part the roads are pretty equal when it comes to likelihood of an accident. No reason to see more accidents close to home. Bit within miles of your home is where accident likelihood goes up. The reason is simple. Most of your driving is done close to home so naturally you see the worst more frequently there.

    Your task is very simple. You need to learn the non counting aspects of the game. You are too busy thinking you have been cheated to figure out what is really behind your results. I have had my ass kicked badly by the stores with the best games. It is expected and some of them I have never won overall. These places tend to be sweaty so I never win that much before leaving. I have struggled to not lose there so I have posted bigger losses. The formula I set up increased the likelihood I would fail over time. I allowed no big wins except those that came in one advantage shoe and allowed big losses and even increased their likelihood by my exit strategy. Every big loss came because I stayed long after I should have left. After all these places are sweaty. I figured it out and adjusted things and I still didn't make much overall but those rare huge losses stopped. 3 of my 4 biggest losses came at one such place. All came after I played much longer than was wise because I wanted to make it back and with such great rules and pen I thought it would be easy. It doesn't work that way. The other loss was my biggest and came in one very nasty shoe at another place that gave good pen. I did well there for a long time before the worm turned so I visited there more frequently. Eventually the other side of the coin fell and results there became tougher. I visited it less often and was hitting the ones I was doing well at more often.

    The point is you have 2 things going on. One is that each store will have variance and seem to run hot and cold. The other is the way you plan to leave the casino will shape results. There is a good chance your exit strategy is the reason. You have inadvertently increased the odds of posting a big loss on any given day. Some of my best stores look like a counters worst nightmare. Almost all CSMs, discard tray covers etc. But what makes it so good also makes a CSM quite profitable. Fortunately I get them to open a shoe game when I come. I call ahead and if it isn't already open or will not be opened because I am on my way I don't go. Sometimes things don't go the way they should and I find a dealer I like and crush the CSM. If there are no good dealers I leave without playing. It is usually very crowded since it is the only shoe game open but I could beat it flat betting so why does it matter. The point is you should be spending your time increasing your edge that has nothing to do with counting.
    So are you telling me now you beat CSMs? Are you hole carding the dealers at the CSMs? Is that what you mean by finding a dealer you like at a CSM game? Or are you possibly sequencing the CSM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    So are you telling me now you beat CSMs? Are you hole carding the dealers at the CSMs? Is that what you mean by finding a dealer you like at a CSM game? Or are you possibly sequencing the CSM?
    I am not going to say what makes a dealer that can beat a CSM. That would be foolish in an open forum. If you think about it you should know. Your speculation is as bad as me stating it. You seem to be so focused o n the counting that you are missing all these other opportunities. The BJ hell Casino is really interesting. The games suck so bad you would never play them anyway but what makes the games better than others also works when the dealer that makes it better is dealing on a CSM. Try paying attention to more than just the count. You may be amazed at the opportunities you have been missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    Harrahs and Sands in PA will get investigated for good. I dont remember the last time i won a monster count in any of these stores. How can you possibly lose in every monster count you have played in at these stores? My 3 biggest losses all time were at Harrahs. I dont remember me ever having an all time win there or even a huge win. And Sands, well that is probably just because they offer an avg game, but i never win there either. I've had 2-3 SD losses at Harrahs but never a 2-3 SD win. CVCX says ive had less than a .50-1% chance of these losses happening in the hours that i played each time.

    Like I always said, how can anyone possibly trust these corrupt greedy casinos. With all the card counting documentaries and movies out there, you dont think any of these big stores will throw a wrench into it? The gaming commission can do all it wants, but a savvy casino can bypass it anytime they want if they really wanted to. I really feel they stack the deck at both of these places.
    I am actually ahead overall playing in Harrahs PA. It seem like you are saying card counting don't work. I don't know how many year of playing experience or quality of time you have in Blackjack. I have been losing more hands than winning in positive counts but what really really helped me in those high positive counts was the double downs and splits. I have been losing hand after hand in those positive counts but I won two hands when the count was positive. Guess what I end up ahead for that session. Even worst was the count was high and the dealer got Blackjack times in a row and I got killed. Then after the shuffle the golden shoe came and I max bet through the whole shoe and end up ahead for that sessions. Playing at Harrahs actually forced me to improve my game.

    I don't think that Harrahs in PA is actually cheating you. Believing in card clumping is voodo. I understand why this post was moved to the disadvantage forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    I am actually ahead overall playing in Harrahs PA. It seem like you are saying card counting don't work. I don't know how many year of playing experience or quality of time you have in Blackjack. I have been losing more hands than winning in positive counts but what really really helped me in those high positive counts was the double downs and splits. I have been losing hand after hand in those positive counts but I won two hands when the count was positive. Guess what I end up ahead for that session. Even worst was the count was high and the dealer got Blackjack times in a row and I got killed. Then after the shuffle the golden shoe came and I max bet through the whole shoe and end up ahead for that sessions. Playing at Harrahs actually forced me to improve my game.

    I don't think that Harrahs in PA is actually cheating you. Believing in card clumping is voodo. I understand why this post was moved to the disadvantage forum.
    I have similar experiences at these properties. I have gotten my ass handed to me often enough but I absolutely crush some shoes and get the usual mixed bag of counts. Sometimes I win despite hardly having an advantage the whole time and other days I have a huge edge on a couple shoes. Of course your days results are going to be all about those 2 shoes. If things go bad you will lose A LOT. But with a reasonably good system you should be winning overall. Things like deep pen and backcounting can increase expectation but with all those large bets the potential for things to quickly go very bad is much higher due to the increased frequency in the largest bets. Also if it is a deck composition your count doesn't identify advantage very well, every count has these deck compositions, you can be betting when advantage is much less or even not there at all or more likely much higher than your count estimates. Then you get deck estimate inaccuracy from deep pen and varying card thicknesses. All these things contribute to high variance and mistakes even though you are doing everything perfectly in your eyes. The trick is to figure all this out and do what you can to limit the swings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    I am actually ahead overall playing in Harrahs PA. It seem like you are saying card counting don't work.
    There is another possibility other than the usual "variance" explanation on losing streak. Harrah's PA recognizes Lonewolf but not you. The pit boss said upon Lonewolf's arrival, "Here comes that counter. Push the button and change his table to the beast mode!" The same casino spares T3 because of his unique counting system. So T3 don't get the AP treatment.

    Harrah's management blames their coming bankruptcy on counters to eat their profits. They will go bankrupted anyway. There is nothing to lose to switch to beast mode shuffling when they are sure the players are AP using greedy bet spread.
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    I think they know I count but they think I am really bad at it. I am too often doing things they do not understand.

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    Actually I think I give them the leeway to look the other way. What I do won't get them in trouble if they don't act. I never get greedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    There is another possibility other than the usual "variance" explanation on losing streak. Harrah's PA recognizes Lonewolf but not you. The pit boss said upon Lonewolf's arrival, "Here comes that counter. Push the button and change his table to the beast mode!" The same casino spares T3 because of his unique counting system. So T3 don't get the AP treatment.

    Harrah's management blames their coming bankruptcy on counters to eat their profits. They will go bankrupted anyway. There is nothing to lose to switch to beast mode shuffling when they are sure the players are AP using greedy bet spread.
    As in other posts I have stated that Harrahs PA was watching my play as well. They haven't yet taken counter measures on me. I get fawn upon when I win. One time a pit crew lady call up to surveillance when I was putting out my max bet. They were trying to analyze my play. But lucky the shoe turned negative right in time so I left before they were able to do an analysis. Well all they can do was go back and watch videos of my play and that is it. They do have a sense I was counting.

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