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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    The fines or other sanctions that a casino may get over getting caught at one table at one of their casinos is not going to be more than the profits and is not going to deter the big corporate casinos. Moreover, if they have penetrated the gaming commission, they would know or have prior knowledge of any investigation.
    I am not sure what Pa charges but $100,000/incident would probably be levied and a loss of their gaming license. An instance could be defined as each hand to each player, or each shoe dealt. They risk everything they have ever won and the ability to be a casino. That is about as high a risk as you can get on a game they will win handily in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    I am not sure what Pa charges but $100,000/incident would probably be levied and a loss of their gaming license. An instance could be defined as each hand to each player, or each shoe dealt. They risk everything they have ever won and the ability to be a casino. That is about as high a risk as you can get on a game they will win handily in the long run.
    There are a lot of laws/regulations printed. The smart ones look at how they are implemented and if they are implemented. Has there been one of these sanctions ever place in Pa? Just like us when we know that we are not going to get ticketed driving 5 miles an hour over the speed limit, we violate that speed limit, some more than others.

    I once worked for one institution where I was going to violate a regulation and the head of our legal department told me to go ahead that the government will not want to meet us in court over one incident, that if they find out, we could negotiate the fine to a lower amount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post

    I once worked for one institution where I was going to violate a regulation and the head of our legal department told me to go ahead that the government will not want to meet us in court over one incident, that if they find out, we could negotiate the fine to a lower amount.
    Plausible deniability, which your legal guy had, unless you got the opinion in a written format, and if he had it, it was your ass on the line, not his. It constantly amazes me how lambs allow themselves to be led to the slaughter.

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    I personally don't believe ASM can be programmed. Any toughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacktheblack View Post
    I personally don't believe ASM can be programmed. Any toughts?

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    The manufactures can program ASM using the same technology that restores the decks to the original sequence A,K,Q,J,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2 by suit, but the manufactures won't program ASM to do bad things like clumping or creating impossible to beat sequence because of the laws and the regulations.

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    So how would the ASM know where the player cuts the deck ? Clump might end up anywhere not only behind pen.

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    Please don't ask keep the discussion going. He hasn't the faintest idea what he is talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacktheblack View Post
    So how would the ASM know where the player cuts the deck ? Clump might end up anywhere not only behind pen.

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    If I were the programmer for ASM, I will create this sequence that players can't take advantage of True Count theory.
    This is a six deck 312 cards sequence, assuming 85% penetration and all other best rules:

    2345AAAA2222333344445555AAA2345[Rest of the shoe (262 cards)]TTJJQQ8888JJQQKK9999JQK89

    The second sequence is the same as the above, just applied a little rotation:

    TTJJQQ8888JJQQKK9999JQK892345AAAA2222333344445555A AA2345[Rest of the shoe (262 cards)]

    Or ASM can rotate the sequence a little more:

    [Random 62 cards]TTJJQQ8888JJQQKK9999JQK892345AAAA2222333344445555A AA2345[Rest of the shoe (200 cards)]


    Think about where you cut it. The answer is no matter where you cut the yellow card, you can only have bad shoe and average shoe, but never a good shoe. If you unfortunately put the yellow card in the beginning of the 25 small card clump, your RC will quickly rise to +15 and has little fluctuation for the rest of the shoe. After the first 10 cards, AP will begin to increase bet, eventually at max bet but the major chump of face cards are behind yellow card so the counting never pay off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Please don't ask keep the discussion going. He hasn't the faintest idea what he is talking about.
    I see what you mean.

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    Thanks for the education BjGenius007

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    Miss-education. Seriously, Casinos are bad actors in many, many ways. We should concentrate on what they actually do to harm players instead of promulgating paranoid, conspiracy theories that only serve to dilute our valid complaints.
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    Miss-education. Seriously, Casinos are bad actors in many, many ways. We should concentrate on what they actually do to harm players instead of promulgating paranoid, conspiracy theories that only serve to dilute our valid complaints.
    Until you can prove they DONT cheat, i dont know why you completely eliminate the possibility. From what I have seen so far, there is something bizarre going on in PA and others seem to agree. Go play there for yourselves and let me know. Only ones that are naive eliminate the possibility of cheating. I just dont see how a casino can get caught cheating if they do it properly. How is anyone gonna find out? They dont even lay out the cards on the table face up. Thats already one red flag. No one on the inside is going to know besides upper management so that eliminates another way of getting caught. Pit bosses and dealers dont see the cards, pit bosses dont know if the ASMs were programmed, no one knows anything, they just put the cards in the box when it's time for a new pack of cards to come in and then remove the tape off the new box of cards and remove the cards without looking at them face up. Regarding ASMs, all they do is push a button when it's a red or green light. No one knows anything. Gaming commission can only see so much through cameras as well. It's completely naive to think casinos dont and wouldnt contemplate cheating to have an even greater edge and destroy all counters in the process.
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    The onus is on the person claiming cheating to prove cheating.

    Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat -- Proof lies on him who asserts, not on him who denies.
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