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    Officially calling the Gaming commission.

    Harrahs and Sands in PA will get investigated for good. I dont remember the last time i won a monster count in any of these stores. How can you possibly lose in every monster count you have played in at these stores? My 3 biggest losses all time were at Harrahs. I dont remember me ever having an all time win there or even a huge win. And Sands, well that is probably just because they offer an avg game, but i never win there either. I've had 2-3 SD losses at Harrahs but never a 2-3 SD win. CVCX says ive had less than a .50-1% chance of these losses happening in the hours that i played each time.

    Like I always said, how can anyone possibly trust these corrupt greedy casinos. With all the card counting documentaries and movies out there, you dont think any of these big stores will throw a wrench into it? The gaming commission can do all it wants, but a savvy casino can bypass it anytime they want if they really wanted to. I really feel they stack the deck at both of these places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    ...Officially calling the Gaming commission...
    what if they ask for your sample size?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    what if they ask for your sample size?
    500 hours is enough and im only up 11k WELL below EV thanks to Sands and Harrahs only. My biggest downswings came at only these two stores. Something just feels completely bizarre there.

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    Watch out. Certain folk(s) here jump on you anytime you suggest cheating as a possibility. I believe the ASM can be programmed. Others suggest missing cards or dealer cheating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Watch out. Certain folk(s) here jump on you anytime you suggest cheating as a possibility. I believe the ASM can be programmed. Others suggest missing cards or dealer cheating.
    I highly suspect these PA casinos clumping ASM on demand. But Norm said we should trust the system. So I just stop playing at these casinos to have the peace of mind, no longer trying to solve a possible unsolvable puzzle.

    Also, this is not a good sample of size. I began to suspect they can program ASM about 15 months ago. But I changed my book keeping on my playing results to separate PA and non-PA casinos only about five months before I totally stopped going. While non-PA casinos results are basically the same compared to my long time results in the decades. I have slightly negative ev in PA casinos. And as I recall my playing, I always feel I often lose big bets when TC is super high. This includes good double gets small card a lot. A lot more than I will in other places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    500 hours is enough and im only up 11k WELL below EV thanks to Sands and Harrahs only. My biggest downswings came at only these two stores. Something just feels completely bizarre there.
    Gaming commission will love this. Overall I'm ahead gambling -- but I should be ahead more because I lost at some casino. Making baseless claims hurts us all as there exist valid claims.
    "I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    I dont remember the last time i won a monster count in any of these stores. How can you possibly lose in every monster count you have played in at these stores?
    Of course. Your biggest ass kickings will come with a monster count. The dealer is as likely to get good cards as you are.
    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    My 3 biggest losses all time were at Harrahs.
    This indicates to me they probably have the best pen and/or the least amount of crowding. The formula for big losses is making a lot of big bets and losing.
    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    And Sands, well that is probably just because they offer an avg game, but i never win there either. I've had 2-3 SD losses at Harrahs but never a 2-3 SD win.
    Sounds like you need to fix something. Win and loss structure will have more to do with your style of exit than anything else. If you struggle to post a win rather than leaving and booking a loss then you will book more large losses. If you try to win big you will book fewer big wins. If you leave with a modest win you will book fewer big wins.
    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    With all the card counting documentaries and movies out there, you dont think any of these big stores will throw a wrench into it?
    No. Too much at stake to worry about cheating the clients. They will win and can take countermeasures against true threats so they choose to play elsewhere or are not allowed to play anymore at the casino. They don't need to cheat because they will win big without cheating. Maybe some little indian casino will cheat you but not the big boys. You are missing your chance to understand things better and get better results by falsely believing you have been cheated. Much more likely you are making mistakes or the way you try to exit the casino is skewing the visit's results.
    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    500 hours is enough and im only up 11k WELL below EV thanks to Sands and Harrahs only. My biggest downswings came at only these two stores. Something just feels completely bizarre there.
    Some of the best games have been the hardest to win money at for me. There are reasons for this. I won't go into them as this would give the casino methods to hurt us. Some of my honey holes have a blah game but I still regularly crush it.
    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    I highly suspect these PA casinos clumping ASM on demand. But Norm said we should trust the system. So I just stop playing at these casinos to have the peace of mind, no longer trying to solve a possible unsolvable puzzle.
    I always play the casinos I do well at a lot and those I struggle to beat rarely. Like I said some of the ones I struggle to beat have the best games in theory but if you really understand what drives your success and failure you see they are not so good.

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    So either these two casinos are both cheating you personally but not other APs who play there, or...

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    500 hours is not enough hours. Read that chapter near the end of Don's book or dig up an old copy of BJRM and run a random walk feature for 500 hour segments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Gaming commission will love this. Overall I'm ahead gambling -- but I should be ahead more because I lost at some casino. Making baseless claims hurts us all as there exist valid claims.
    I am not ahead at these stores and thats my point. Im getting killed there with many hours logged. Yes still a small sample size, but something seems bizarre. When I play casino verite, it feels completely different than when I play at these 2 rigged casinos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWoLF View Post
    I am not ahead at these stores and thats my point. Im getting killed there with many hours logged. Yes still a small sample size, but something seems bizarre. When I play casino verite, it feels completely different than when I play at these 2 rigged casinos.
    If you feel they are rigged against you, why do you persist playing there? Are you masochistic or something?

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    "Too much at stake to worry about cheating the clients. They will win and can take countermeasures against true threats so they choose to play elsewhere or are not allowed to play anymore at the casino. They don't need to cheat because they will win big without cheating. Maybe some little indian casino will cheat you but not the big boys. You are missing your chance to understand things better and get better results by falsely believing you have been cheated. Much more likely you are making mistakes or the way you try to exit the casino is skewing the visit's results."

    Volkswagon did not worry about what's at stake. The USA did not worry about what's at stake when they lied to the UN and took over Iraq.

    The fines or other sanctions that a casino may get over getting caught at one table at one of their casinos is not going to be more than the profits and is not going to deter the big corporate casinos. Moreover, if they have penetrated the gaming commission, they would know or have prior knowledge of any investigation.

    its naïveté to believe that they are so ethical. Say you have the ability to program ASM's remotely, you can do it at certain tables or at certain times of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Say you have the ability to program ASM's remotely
    Say the moon is made of bleu cheese.
    "I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse

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