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    Norm, there is something I don't get.

    In CVData, do you count all Aces ? Or only "Aces you can see" (at this moment) ?
    to which you reply: Aces you have seen

    When using KO and taking an insurance decision, it's fine to adjust the count with the Aces on the table at that moment (could say the same for Hi-Lo). However, if you require the player to take into account all the Aces played, this isn't KO anymore because the KO count doesn't have a sidecount of Aces. A KO player will choose this system for its simplicity and certainly not to sidecount Aces.
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    If you are using the Dravot Tweak option, it does exactly what the book explains. I don't remember, off-hand, what that was.
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    If I understand, the Dravot Tweak option is available for all counting systems incorporating the counting of Aces in the base count. It's an "on site" adjustment that ignore the Aces present on the table for making insurance decision "on the spot".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    This isn't really something I support. It can probably be done; but I'm just too time-constrained at the moment.
    If you don't support that feature in CVDATA. Do you know if "The Theory of Blackjack" provide methods to calculate them?

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    Hi Norm,

    I am using the Dravot system and I am lucky enough to play this game : 6D, S17, ENHC, DAS, DOA, Full Early Surrender.
    Regarding the IP, one should take insurance for a TC >= 24. My question, which still stands for other systems, is: in those circumstancies, does the Surrender option prevails over this decision (for instance with 14 vs. A)?

    Thanks.

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    With ES, always surrender 14vA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CG51 View Post
    Regarding the IP, one should take insurance for a TC >= 24. My question, which still stands for other systems, is: in those circumstancies, does the Surrender option prevails over this decision (for instance with 14 vs. A)?
    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G Man View Post
    If I understand, the Dravot Tweak option is available for all counting systems incorporating the counting of Aces in the base count. It's an "on site" adjustment that ignore the Aces present on the table for making insurance decision "on the spot".
    That's a lousy way for a KO user to go through life. So you adjust for the Aces seen in the present round? That's voodoo. What about the 4 Aces that came out in the previous round? If you have no idea if you're in an Ace deficit or surplus situation, leave it alone....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddy View Post
    That's a lousy way for a KO user to go through life. So you adjust for the Aces seen in the present round? That's voodoo. What about the 4 Aces that came out in the previous round? If you have no idea if you're in an Ace deficit or surplus situation, leave it alone....
    I agree with BD. If the aces on the table swing the decision there isn't much EV there to begin with. The insurance index you use includes aces. If you are adjusting for aces you would use a different index for the most accuracy. Most adjust the RC and use the same index in an ace neutral count but in an ace reckoned the adjustment would be twice. In an unbalanced count such as KO removing the ace from the count would definitely change the deviation point and counting it with the lows for the decision would change it even more. Remember you are not true counting.

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    A sim of REKO, 6 decks, S17, 4.5/6

    Without "Davrot Tweak Option" SCORE=21,80
    With option, SCORE=21,65

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippe B View Post
    A sim of REKO, 6 decks, S17, 4.5/6

    Without "Davrot Tweak Option" SCORE=21,80
    With option, SCORE=21,65
    What insurance index did you for insurance is it the count of +3(23) or +4(24)?

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    Real REKO is +2 (22)
    For test purpose, I used +4 (24) as in "Color Of Blackjcak"

    But I think that results are inside sim's SD.
    Another sim give me 21,98 and 21,99

    IMHO this option don't matter.
    Last edited by Phoebe; 07-16-2016 at 12:17 AM. Reason: Another sim

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    For REKO, you would have to use the REKO-F insurance index for the Dravot Tweak. That would be +3.
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