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    Single deck 3:2 - minimum number of rounds to be worth playing

    A new casino opened up not too far from where I live. I went to scout the shop to determine whether it had games worth playing and discovered a single deck 3:2 game that plays out 2 rounds regardless of the number of players before a shuffle.

    Simulations aside, I want to know if is there a general rule when evaluating single deck games when the shuffle is determined by rounds instead of cut cards. There are no side bets, which very much helps speed up play. I feel tempted to dive in, however my knowledge of games have only thus far been limited to shoe and DD.

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    Don´t know much about SD but see this

    http://www.bj21.com/bj_reference/pag...election.shtml

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    I suppose it's one of those where playing with a full table is better than playing heads up as the level of penetration is deeper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RUMIYODIN View Post
    " ... very much helps speed up play."
    Shuffling every 2 minutes ! LOL

    You neglected to list the rules. Only the dreadful penetration.

    Familiarize yourself with "The rule of 6"

    http://www.bj21.com/bj_reference/pag...election.shtml

    I suspect that this monstrosity is H17, NDAS, No Resplits, No Soft Doubles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    Shuffling every 2 minutes [...] You neglected to list the rules
    The casino uses an ASM that rotates between decks, almost completely eliminating shuffle time.

    Rules:
    Pitch game, 3:2 BJ, S17, D10/11, Split only once
    nSurr, nDAS, nRSA

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    If 2 hands can be played, a full table will yield decent profits if the dealer is fast and she will deal a second round. A game like this can be a good intro to counting as you only need to remember the count for a short while, then there is a shuffle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RUMIYODIN View Post
    The casino uses an ASM
    Rules:

    Pitch game, 3:2 BJ, S17, D10/11, Split only once
    nSurr, nDAS, nRSA
    Nice to hear that it is S17 ! That is a huge plus.

    If you ever want to really learn blackjack, it is a

    MUST for you to learn to derive the House Edge

    for any BJ game offered.

    Do it. Do it now. Report your House Edge here.

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    House edge for the rules is 0.261 according to the QFIT calculator, 0.3958 according to Wizard. But that isn't what I'm concerned with. I know it's better than the DD and 6D games offered at the shop.

    I've consistently read and understand that penetration is by far more important than choosing a game with slightly better rules. But you know that. My understanding is that a worthwhile 6D game has at least 75% pen, a worthwhile DD game has at least 60% pen, followed by my question of "Assuming decent rules, what penetration (or rounds) would a worthwhile SD game be?"

    Because according to the Ro6 -- this isn't a worthwhile game.

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    See: "Blackbelt in Blackjack" DEPTH CHARGING pp. 194-197 3rd ed. 2012 printing

    The good Bishop Snyder discusses playing a 2 rounds and shuffle SD game !

    IF you can play the entire table, TWO ROUNDS guaranteed, and bet minimally at 1st base
    and progressively more as you move leftwards to 3rd base, AND you are using an advanced
    count, this game is a goldmine. BUT if anyone in surveillance actually knows what they are
    doing, you will be backed off immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RUMIYODIN View Post
    House edge for the rules is 0.261 according to the QFIT calculator, 0.3958 according to Wizard.
    I get -0.389%:

    http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackj...le-variations/

    -0.449% (HE for benchmark game, 8deck, S17, DAS Sp4) + 0.48% (SD) - 0.10% (player may not result) - 0.14% (no DAS) - 0.18% (Double 9,10 only) = -0.389%

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    .23 Initial HE against from this source, too.

    https://www.blackjackapprenticeship....ck-calculator/
    "Women and cats will do as they please, and Men and dogs should just relax and get used to the idea" --- Robert A. Heinlein

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJGolf View Post
    .23 Initial HE against from this source, too.

    https://www.blackjackapprenticeship....ck-calculator/
    When I use this calculator I get 0.29% HE. You can only split once to two hands.
    Quote Originally Posted by RUMIYODIN View Post
    Rules:
    Pitch game, 3:2 BJ, S17, D10/11, Split only once
    nSurr, nDAS, nRSA

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    MGP's Blackjack Combinatorial Analyser:
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