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    A7 vs dealer Ace?

    So I'm using the Zen Count w/true count indices as my playing strategy. But I noticed that, in the true count indices, it says to stay on a soft eighteen vs dealer ace.
    Also in Blackbelt in BJ, the BS chart at the end says to not double down on a A7 vs a dealer 2.
    Are these plays correct because most BS charts i've found contradict this.

    this is the url for the True count indices

    http://blackjackforumonline.com/cont...nt_Indices.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by nwkfern69 View Post
    So I'm using the Zen Count w/true count indices as my playing strategy. But I noticed that, in the true count indices, it says to stay on a soft eighteen vs dealer ace.
    Also in Blackbelt in BJ, the BS chart at the end says to not double down on a A7 vs a dealer 2.
    Are these plays correct because most BS charts i've found contradict this.

    this is the url for the True count indices

    http://blackjackforumonline.com/cont...nt_Indices.htm
    I hit soft 18 v ace, except when taking insurance. Wongs PBJ, Playing Halves, says to double is A7 v 2 at 0. I prefer a tad stronger.

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    No, the chart is wrong. Hit Soft 18 v. A.

    If you're playing Stand on Soft 17, basic strategy is not to double against a 2, and there is low index to stand against the Ace. If you're playing Hit on Soft 17, basic strategy is to double against the 2, and always hit against the Ace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    No, the chart is wrong. Hit Soft 18 v. A.

    If you're playing Stand on Soft 17, basic strategy is not to double against a 2, and there is low index to stand against the Ace. If you're playing Hit on Soft 17, basic strategy is to double against the 2, and always hit against the Ace.
    Depending on the counting system, Hit Soft 18 v. A on negative TC, 0 and +1. If TC is +2 or higher, stand on Soft 18 v. A.

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    The index is never higher than +1 nor lower than 0. There is no index within reason for H17; if one exists, it's probably going to be in the realm of +30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    "I hit soft 18 v ace, except when taking insurance."
    Huh ? What has insurance to do with this ?


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    An important note for all newbies.

    Basic Strategy dictates hitting your

    SOFT 18 (Ace-7) against 9, 10, Ace

    Failing to do so against the 9 and 10

    is a costly error, but not against the

    Ace in a S17 game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    Huh ? What has insurance to do with this ?

    That's what I thought. He probably means he uses the insurance index to stand, and makes his decision prior to the hand being fully dealt. Hope he's not playing H17.

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    Zen indexes. a7 vs Ace

    S17 +2
    H17 Hit

    Zen Index for a7 vs 2
    Double at +1 and up otherwise Stand.
    Last edited by bigplayer; 06-17-2016 at 01:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigplayer View Post
    Zen indexes. a7 vs Ace

    S17 +2
    H17 Hit

    Zen Index for a7 vs 2
    Double at +1 and up otherwise Stand.
    DD basic is dbl A7v2 and 9v2.

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