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    Some dealers are trying to crack each persons tipping code. All they have to do is figure out what makes you tip. They don't need to understand why it makes you tip, just what makes you tip. A dog would figure it out quickly why do you think a person is harder to train than a dog? I also think many dealers are real sharp and feel a stronger allegiance to tippers than the casino. I always assume they know exactly what I am doing. I had on that was opposite. I found if I set the cut card so I cut one deck off the top he wouldn't pull it so the pen was 7 dealt of 8 decks. I tipped but after that 1 session he never did it again and gave me shitty pen every time. I try to avoid him now. The point is dealers are mostly on your side if you tip. Some can easily be trained to give what you want by tipping when you get it. It is basic training techniques that work on any animal if they desire the treat enough. Just tip if they do what you want and see if it continues. Most dealers know I am counting, especially the ones that are helpful. At least that is my assumption. If you are a trained counter you probably think I am not counting. I am certain the most helpful dealers know that what I am wanting is what a counter wants once a few appropriately placed tips are made. They will even too openly say things that I wish they would keep to themselves.

    All you need to do is find some trainable dealers in the stores in your rotation and you are way ahead of the game. I openly tell them what I want that I am comfortable telling them and train them on the things I am not comfortable saying. Most dealers and even suits want you to win. They see people lose what they can't afford all day long. They love seeing someone win. Especially if they are a tipper on that win. The suits just don't want you to win so much it makes them look bad.

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    I don't only give tips on successful play, such as a multiple split then double down, but I also wage riders when I have a good count and stack up chips.

    I also tip sometimes when I color out if the PB is watching or rating my play based on my winnings.

    Unlike some here (who may also be speaking in jest), I actually like the dealers. Many are down on their luck or are students and artists. One of my regular is a single mom who moonlights as a dealer. Yes, sharing and caring is a good thing. Of course, the least they know about me, the better.

    I know my EV goes down when I tip, but I feel good tipping them and if I receive longevity and tolerance (maybe even grace) in return, then it's overall a good deal.

    I have to seek out that fast dealer and see if we can repeat the challenge.

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    I will submit if dealers know you're a counter, they know what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DatabaseGuy View Post
    One of my regular is a single mom who moonlights as a dealer.
    I've never seen one of those. I have seen a few dealers who moonlight as single moms.

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    I would say there are dealers that are trained to know good pen is good for counters but not exactly why. It is possible to steer a dealer to give better pen. ,but i think it can fall into the grey area. I have seen and done both, so i would agree with t three . I still don't agree with him of making a lot of thing too complicate .

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