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    Lowest house edge I can get is .26%?

    I've read that the lowest house edge playing perfect strategy = .26%. Is this true? Is this only counting the win%, does this count the black jacks?

    If I do not choose to split hands,no double downs or take insurances how much does this effect the house edge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwing41 View Post
    I've read that the lowest house edge playing perfect strategy = .26%. Is this true? Is this only counting the win%, does this count the black jacks?

    If I do not choose to split hands,no double downs or take insurances how much does this effect the house edge?
    .26 HE with good pen is a dream, and is easily beatable - why on earth would you even consider sub optimal play.

    Your play deviation will change a great game into a piece of shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwing41 View Post
    I've read that the lowest house edge playing perfect strategy = .26%. Is this true? Is this only counting the win%, does this count the black jacks?

    If I do not choose to split hands,no double downs or take insurances how much does this effect the house edge?
    The question doesn't even make sense because each casino employs a different set of rule combinations, although that is about the lowest edge I have ever played after accounting for the cut card effect. Um, of course it counts blackjacks--the game is called Blackjack. Not taking insurance IS basic strategy, it doesn't affect the house edge. Never taking doubles and splits is another question that makes no sense--it's safe to say that baccarat would be a better game under those conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    .26 HE with good pen is a dream, and is easily beatable - why on earth would you even consider sub optimal play.

    Your play deviation will change a great game into a piece of shit.
    Are you suggesting it is possible to beat .26 HE without counting cards?

    Im curious as to how much % drop off its is when you take out doubling and splitting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwing41 View Post
    "the lowest house edge playing perfect strategy = .26%. Is this true?"
    Not even close, unless you are restricting your discussion to shoe games.

    The Double Deck game with S17 DAS has a House Edge of 0.19%

    Adding LS ~ reduces the House Edge to a lovely 0.14%

    Single deck H17 is 0.18%

    Foregoing Doubles and Splits makes all BJ games too unplayable to discuss.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwing41 View Post
    "Are you suggesting it is possible to beat .26 HE without counting cards?"
    NO ! Of course not.

    Nobody is going to answer your rather (off-beat)

    question until you explain what motivates it?


    It makes no (logical) sense to any of us.

    Incidentally, where did you read about 0.26%



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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post


    Single deck H17 is 0.18%

    As far as I knew, the Cortez is the only one who offers such game; since they don't use a CSM, that's not the house edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    " ... Cortez is the only one who offers such game ..."
    You forgot about all of the casinos in West Wendover.

    What does a CSM have to do with the House Edge,

    especially in a Single Deck game with full-pay BJ's ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    NO ! Of course not.

    Nobody is going to answer your rather (off-beat)

    question until you explain what motivates it?


    It makes no (logical) sense to any of us.

    Incidentally, where did you read about 0.26%


    My money is on he's that unfriendly chain-smoking pit boss at the Big Horn acting coy. They can't afford actual mathematicians, so he's come here to find out if they have the lowest edge in town and if another bizarre rule addition could hurt them. Just a theory. I suggest we play along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    The question doesn't even make sense because each casino employs a different set of rule combinations, although that is about the lowest edge I have ever played after accounting for the cut card effect. Um, of course it counts blackjacks--the game is called Blackjack. Not taking insurance IS basic strategy, it doesn't affect the house edge. Never taking doubles and splits is another question that makes no sense--it's safe to say that baccarat would be a better game under those conditions.
    What I mean with the blackjack comment. Do you win .4970% of the time and black jacks added, OR is it .4970 including blackjacks.

    Okay, so everything accounted for doubles, splitting and basic strategy one can expect roughly .26 house edge using 6 decks? Does this account for how many players are playing at one time, or if the person after you is playing randomly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwing41 View Post
    What I mean with the blackjack comment. Do you win .4970% of the time and black jacks added, OR is it .4970 including blackjacks.

    Okay, so everything accounted for doubles, splitting and basic strategy one can expect roughly .26 house edge using 6 decks? Does this account for how many players are playing at one time, or if the person after you is playing randomly.
    The house edge is much money you lose per bet, not how many hands you win. If you bet 100 dollars every hand, theoretically you will lose 26 cents every hand with that house edge. Theoretically, you lose 100% of the hands, but the dealer doesn't take all your chips.

    It doesn't matter how many players are at the table nor how anyone else plays their hand.

    You should note house edge is largely irrelevant to ploppies who suck at blackjack. The average ploppy may as well triple or quadruple the house edge because that's how much he's going to probably lose per bet. And the table's hold is how much of his money he'll probably lose, on average, by the time he leaves, which is I don't know, 12%.
    Last edited by Boz; 06-04-2016 at 05:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    My money is on he's that unfriendly chain-smoking pit boss at the Big Horn acting coy. They can't afford actual mathematicians, so he's come here to find out if they have the lowest edge in town and if another bizarre rule addition could hurt them. Just a theory. I suggest we play along.
    How did you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    Not even close, unless you are restricting your discussion to shoe games.

    The Double Deck game with S17 DAS has a House Edge of 0.19%

    Adding LS ~ reduces the House Edge to a lovely 0.14%

    Single deck H17 is 0.18%

    Foregoing Doubles and Splits makes all BJ games too unplayable to discuss.


    Not long ago, there was two counters' tables at a West Virginia casino. They had S17, LS double deck game. The penetration is dealer dependent, varied from 70% to 100%. It is as low as house edge can go. Initially the game doesn't have LS. When PA casinos opened, ploppies told them that the nearby PA casinos have surrender rule. Not knowing what Surrender is, the pit boss let players surrender the hands without checking dealer BJ first. So IT IS THE EARLY SURRENDER. The ES lasted about two weeks then finally the casino figured it out and changed it to late surrender like PA casinos. It is still a sweet game. I met all the counters in the area and believe or not, the tables still opened for four years before casinos shut down all tables and have slot machines only.

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