How to attack this game..

[ZeeBabar]

A casino I visit has a DD game, H17, double on 9-11, you can double after splits if you have 9-11 on one or both hands, face up dealt. The good thing is that it's often dealt to 80+%.

another rule is that if you play 2 hands, one must be min. $25, the other must be min. $50 and you cannot play two Hans unless you start with 2 hands and if you drop to one hand, you cannot return to two hands until the next shuffle.

i use to play one hand, start at $25 for TC 0 and below, going up to TC1 for $50, TC 2 for $100, TC3 for $125 and TC4+ for $150, with max $175 for higher TC's.

I was was doing okay for a while, then hit a bad streak. I tried starting each shuffle with one hand of $50, another with $25, staying at this for TC0-TC-1, two hands of $50 for TC 2, $75 for TC3, and $100 each for TC4+. I drop to one hand the minute TC goes below Zero and revert to the one hand plan till the end of the shoe.

however, since a significant number of hands are played at TC0 and TC1 with $50, $25 on table, I am wondering if the two hand style is a waste.

i really do not want the "I would not play such a game" comments but if someone good at math can answer, Zi appreciate it.

[Stealth]

First of all the pen for the DD game is excellent and trumps any rules deficit you might have. Co-Variance makes two hands a much more attractive play as you can increase your EV while not increasing your variance. I believe the forced two hands at negative counts is worth the extra variance due to the deep penetration offered. Especially if they only require one of the hands to be $50. Normally, 2 X 50 would be required. You will get more positive count rounds with this penetration and they will be strong.

Two hands can also provide some level of betting cover in positive situations as the hands bet amounts do not need to be equal (does not change ev or variance) and you can use that to obscure the ramp.

Be careful, DD is the counter catcher and very difficult to hide you ramp. Short sessions. Do not camp out on this one.

[Sonny]

Two hands can also provide some level of betting cover in positive situations as the hands bet amounts do not need to be equal (does not change ev or variance) and you can use that to obscure the ramp.

Slight nit-pick here. Playing 2 hands with different bet sizes does change the variance. As long as the bets are reasonably close, which in most cases they are, the difference is insignificant. The more lopsided the bets, the more the variance will skew towards the higher bet.

My resolution this year was to share at least 1 piece of useless, trivial information every day. See y'all tomorrow.

-Sonny-

[Freightman]

Slight nit-pick here. Playing 2 hands with different bet sizes does change the variance. As long as the bets are reasonably close, which in most cases they are, the difference is insignificant. The more lopsided the bets, the more the variance will skew towards the higher bet.

My resolution this year was to share at least 1 piece of useless, trivial information every day. See y'all tomorrow.

-Sonny-

Didn't find it trivial at all. You're still on the hook for a useless tidbit of information today.

[CallSaul]

A casino I visit has a DD game, H17, double on 9-11, you can double after splits if you have 9-11 on one or both hands, face up dealt. The good thing is that it's often dealt to 80+%.

another rule is that if you play 2 hands, one must be min. $25, the other must be min. $50 and you cannot play two Hans unless you start with 2 hands and if you drop to one hand, you cannot return to two hands until the next shuffle.

i use to play one hand, start at $25 for TC 0 and below, going up to TC1 for $50, TC 2 for $100, TC3 for $125 and TC4+ for $150, with max $175 for higher TC's.

I was was doing okay for a while, then hit a bad streak. I tried starting each shuffle with one hand of $50, another with $25, staying at this for TC0-TC-1, two hands of $50 for TC 2, $75 for TC3, and $100 each for TC4+. I drop to one hand the minute TC goes below Zero and revert to the one hand plan till the end of the shoe.

I am not in front of my computer with CVCX on it, but you should check your bet ramp - especially for your "one hand plan." With those rules, you're still playing at a (slightly) negative expectation when the Hi-Lo TC == 1.

[ZeeBabar]

I am not in front of my computer with CVCX on it, but you should check your bet ramp - especially for your "one hand plan." With those rules, you're still playing at a (slightly) negative expectation when the Hi-Lo TC == 1.

Saul, when I am playing 1 hand, the optimal betting seems to call for $50 at TC1, $100 for TC2 but being of a conservative nature, I don't jump up to $50 at RC 2 (TC1) after round one of head to head play, my actual TC would need to be 1.25 or so.. RC is +2, about 12-15 cards have been played. Same thing, TC has to be slightly greater than 2 for me to bet $100.

I dont know know if this is right or wrong and it's why I am seeking feedback. Thanks

[stopgambling]

Freightman ,when you said they have your name .Can you explain how they got it?

[Freightman]

Freightman ,when you said they have your name .Can you explain how they got it?

I foolishly used an Mlife card. I still play MGM, unrated, restricting amount of visible wins.

[Boz]

I foolishly used an Mlife card. I still play MGM, unrated, restricting amount of visible wins.

Have you tried playing rated at a different property? I was flat bet at an MGM prop rated. I played rated at another prop for a brief period, and no one said anything--but they weren't swiping cards into the computer for some reason, everything was written down. I'm curious as to different MGM props communication regarding minor non-86 events.

[Freightman]

Have you tried playing rated at a different property? I was flat bet at an MGM prop rated. I played rated at another prop for a brief period, and no one said anything--but they weren't swiping cards into the computer for some reason, everything was written down. I'm curious as to different MGM props communication regarding minor non-86 events.

I'll try it for shits and giggles next time in Vegas - at one of the sweater joints.

[Boz]

I'll try it for shits and giggles next time in Vegas - at one of the sweater joints.

Don't put your neck on the line. But if you're wondering and haven't yet, post about it. I'm not a fan of MGM, I'm in the CET camp.

[Bigdaddy]

I'll try it for shits and giggles next time in Vegas - at one of the sweater joints.

I played rated at the MGM high limit DD game last month. Very sweaty pit. I used maximum cover....some large bets off the top, no more than 1-4 spread, mixed it up a bit and drank 3 beers per hour.

Won $2k and I think my M-Life card is still good, but it was work....

[Banker]

Do not do it. They will get to see the remark on the card sooner or later. it will earn you a more memorization or an 86.